Reform UK (Vol.2)

[Mr Penguin]

maz8062 said:

Farage even calls it a "reverse takeover" - what he means by that is unclear.

Probably just supplanting them as the main party on the right like Labour did to the Liberals 100 years ago.

[borcy]

butchstewie said:

It's probably nothing.

Interesting, i think it's an alignment of we need to get things done.
Don't drag anything out. Possibly some limited agreement with Trump's school of thought.

Or it might be something else. Certainly there's a big difference there.

[amusingduck]

maz8062 said:

How can you be anti-Putin, anti-Russian foreign policy, but not anti-Russian?

Easily?

I would consider myself pro-UK and every other country is neither pro or anti. Countries are much more than their government/leaders

[turbobloke]

amusingduck said:

maz8062 said:

How can you be anti-Putin, anti-Russian foreign policy, but not anti-Russian?

Easily?

I would consider myself pro-UK and every other country is neither pro or anti. Countries are much more than their government/leaders

Sure, and you won't be alone, but that doesn't fit the anti-Reform boogeyman tactic, nor the guilt by association fallacy. Throw in some hype for a hat-trick.

[Vanden Saab]

maz8062 said:

How can you be anti-Putin, anti-Russian foreign policy, but not anti-Russian?

This is what we're dealing with. Reform voters, not all, are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

In the same way you can be pro America but anti- Trump i would imagine.

[maz8062]

Vanden Saab said:

maz8062 said:

How can you be anti-Putin, anti-Russian foreign policy, but not anti-Russian?

This is what we're dealing with. Reform voters, not all, are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

In the same way you can be pro America but anti- Trump i would imagine.

No, it's not the same. The US are not trying to destroy us; spying on US, attacking us. Russia is a country that is not a friend; it is a foe - we're at war with them, albeit a proxy war.

If you don't hate a country that hates you, like Gill, you'll be easy to recruit as a spy.

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Vanden Saab said:

maz8062 said:

How can you be anti-Putin, anti-Russian foreign policy, but not anti-Russian?

This is what we're dealing with. Reform voters, not all, are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

In the same way you can be pro America but anti- Trump i would imagine.

You'd think, but some people are in it for the potential 'spiracy.

[turbobloke]

119 said:

Vanden Saab said:

maz8062 said:

How can you be anti-Putin, anti-Russian foreign policy, but not anti-Russian?

This is what we're dealing with. Reform voters, not all, are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

In the same way you can be pro America but anti- Trump i would imagine.

You'd think, but some people are in it for the potential 'spiracy.

Also how does any of this latest neener crusade aimed at Reform voters stop them voting Reform so Labour get re-elected regardless of what the neener is?

[turbobloke]

With all the goings on recently, this 01 Dec poll from More In Common is interesting - not least as the deltas for Reform and Labour are zero from 24 Nov. Apologies in advance if a pearoast.

Reform 30%
Tories 21%
Labour 21%
LibDems 13%
Greens 11%

[Leon R]

butchstewie said:

It's probably nothing.

Polls like this are completely worthless and tell you nothing, what does anti Russian even mean.

[DeejRC]

The trouble with the “Pro Russian” thing is the ever so minor problem that Europe’s official posture was Pro Russian until a cpl of years ago. Its unofficial, but still official economic, position is that it’s Pro Russia. It’s a wee bit of a conundrum is that one for those who think life is simple.

I’m not a fan of Europes position on this, but it is what it is.

[AbbeyNormal]

DeejRC said:

The trouble with the Pro Russian thing is the ever so minor problem that Europe s official posture was Pro Russian until a cpl of years ago. Its unofficial, but still official economic, position is that it s Pro Russia. It s a wee bit of a conundrum is that one for those who think life is simple.

I m not a fan of Europes position on this, but it is what it is.

Pro money and gas rom Russia. Not sure that Western see much in Russia they want to import other than those two things.

[borcy]

DeejRC said:

The trouble with the Pro Russian thing is the ever so minor problem that Europe s official posture was Pro Russian until a cpl of years ago. Its unofficial, but still official economic, position is that it s Pro Russia. It s a wee bit of a conundrum is that one for those who think life is simple.

I m not a fan of Europes position on this, but it is what it is.

It's interesting that it's reform voters that have a neutral stance on Russia significantly more than any other party.

[rscott]

turbobloke said:

With all the goings on recently, this 01 Dec poll from More In Common is interesting - not least as the deltas for Reform and Labour are zero from 24 Nov. Apologies in advance if a pearoast.

Reform 30%
Tories 21%
Labour 21%
LibDems 13%
Greens 11%

Certainly is interesting - seems to be suggesting that the budget had zero impact.

[Slow.Patrol]

Big donation to Reform.

https://www.ft.com/content/db73535f-7d9d-4586-b53a...

[hidetheelephants]

butchstewie said:

And another one.

Reform politician's racist Chinese slur 'caused a lot of hurt'

All the best people; Reform council leader accused of racism after alleged remarks about Sadiq Khan - Guardian

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hidetheelephants said:

butchstewie said:

And another one.

Reform politician's racist Chinese slur 'caused a lot of hurt'

All the best people; Reform council leader accused of racism after alleged remarks about Sadiq Khan - Guardian

"seen by the anti-fascist group Hope Not Hate and shared with the Guardian"

What a surprise.


Lots of the usual "allegedlys" in there as usual.

[turbobloke]

119 said:

hidetheelephants said:

butchstewie said:

And another one.

Reform politician's racist Chinese slur 'caused a lot of hurt'

All the best people; Reform council leader accused of racism after alleged remarks about Sadiq Khan - Guardian

"seen by the anti-fascist group Hope Not Hate and shared with the Guardian"

What a surprise.


Lots of the usual "allegedlys" in there as usual.

This is from 2023 and the Guardian is doing a Dulwich by scraping the barrel, with those flocking to flap on HnH doing so. It was wrong at the time and still is, it's what happens when a Reform politician takes their cue from Labour's bad example (2022).

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/feb/11/l...

[Acorn1]

Reform gets £9m boost.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ref...

[turbobloke]

Acorn1 said:

Reform gets £9m boost.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ref...

Excellent news.