F430 - buying with missing services?
Discussion
Hi all,
Looing at a few F430s and spotted one which is perfect in condition but it missed services in 2009 and 2010. I don't have any mechanical worries about this at all, but would this be an issue in selling on, or is it quite common? It only did 1600 miles between 08 and 11.
Numbers are approx.
First one on 9/06 @ 2800
Second one on 11/07 @ 5100
Third one on 5/08 @ 5700
And one now 5/11 @ 7300
Advice appreaciated!
Looing at a few F430s and spotted one which is perfect in condition but it missed services in 2009 and 2010. I don't have any mechanical worries about this at all, but would this be an issue in selling on, or is it quite common? It only did 1600 miles between 08 and 11.
Numbers are approx.
First one on 9/06 @ 2800
Second one on 11/07 @ 5100
Third one on 5/08 @ 5700
And one now 5/11 @ 7300
Advice appreaciated!
Depends how much it bothers you. Some people will say don't touch it with a barge pole and others say its fine. I personally am somewhere in the middle, if the car is in good condition and checks out ok then if the car is what you want, just go for it. The thing about these cars is, that as you can see by the mileage, they aren't used much so it's very easy to forget to get it serviced for say 6 months then by the time you realise it's due, winter has set in and you don't want to drive the car in the winter so you just leave it to spring again. I tend to keep my cars serviced more or less on time but I know others who may miss the odd annual service, but still look after their cars.
Thanks Lambo.
As I say, I am not worried at all from a mechanical point of view. Less than 2000 miles between a service is fine even if it's 2 years. Lubricants don't degrade that quickly, which is the main thing.
Plus the car is only just over 7000 miles
It's just wether this would devalue the car a bit as I know a lot of owners will expect everything to be perfect. I guess if i'm questioning it, others will too!
As I say, I am not worried at all from a mechanical point of view. Less than 2000 miles between a service is fine even if it's 2 years. Lubricants don't degrade that quickly, which is the main thing.
Plus the car is only just over 7000 miles
It's just wether this would devalue the car a bit as I know a lot of owners will expect everything to be perfect. I guess if i'm questioning it, others will too!
The problem is who's to say the car hasn't done 10-15k between the services and been clocked back to near it's last service. I know this sounds paranoid and it probably is but I put a deposit on a 360 a year or two ago and although the car looked straight the missing paperwork gave me concern. After a bit of digging around I found the car had more miles on it 2 years earlier than what I was buying at. Looked clean drove well, but thank God I didn't buy it.
Ferrari paranoia!!
Steve
Ferrari paranoia!!
Steve
With respect it sounds as if your heart is leading your head and you've possibly already decided to buy this particular car and are just looking for reassurance.
On a car like that, irrespective of the mileage, adhering the service intervals is paramount, not because as you rightly point out due to risk of mechanical failure but because other prospective owners will expect a full Ferrari service history. Think about it - you've posted this thread, wouldn't someone looking to buy your car when you come to sell be asking the same question on another forum?
On a car like that, irrespective of the mileage, adhering the service intervals is paramount, not because as you rightly point out due to risk of mechanical failure but because other prospective owners will expect a full Ferrari service history. Think about it - you've posted this thread, wouldn't someone looking to buy your car when you come to sell be asking the same question on another forum?
Durzel said:
With respect it sounds as if your heart is leading your head and you've possibly already decided to buy this particular car and are just looking for reassurance.
On a car like that, irrespective of the mileage, adhering the service intervals is paramount, not because as you rightly point out due to risk of mechanical failure but because other prospective owners will expect a full Ferrari service history. Think about it - you've posted this thread, wouldn't someone looking to buy your car when you come to sell be asking the same question on another forum?
Nail on head.On a car like that, irrespective of the mileage, adhering the service intervals is paramount, not because as you rightly point out due to risk of mechanical failure but because other prospective owners will expect a full Ferrari service history. Think about it - you've posted this thread, wouldn't someone looking to buy your car when you come to sell be asking the same question on another forum?
Yep good point Durzel.
I think i'm trying to establish if this is unusual on these type of car, and it doesn't seem to be uncommon. If it is unusual, and makes this car the odd one out then i'd be concerned. They are unusual in that mileage tends to be very low so I can understand this to an extent. I guess you have people who go abroad and it sits in the garage, or various other reasons. My view on it all is that it doesn't concern me, but trying to establish if it concerns anyone else. The spec and condition of the car is perfect, and it will be serviced and has a decent warranty.
The views on Scuderia forum are generally that it's not an issue.
But I will be speaking to a couple of other people first before deciding, and will be using my head in the end. There are others out there and it's easy to rush.
I think i'm trying to establish if this is unusual on these type of car, and it doesn't seem to be uncommon. If it is unusual, and makes this car the odd one out then i'd be concerned. They are unusual in that mileage tends to be very low so I can understand this to an extent. I guess you have people who go abroad and it sits in the garage, or various other reasons. My view on it all is that it doesn't concern me, but trying to establish if it concerns anyone else. The spec and condition of the car is perfect, and it will be serviced and has a decent warranty.
The views on Scuderia forum are generally that it's not an issue.
But I will be speaking to a couple of other people first before deciding, and will be using my head in the end. There are others out there and it's easy to rush.
My gut feeling is that it would be an issue come resale simply due to the fact that this thread exists....
The market for a used F430 is already small relatively speaking, the market for a F430 with a patchy service history is even smaller. Anything that would cause people to have pause for thought before even speaking to you about the car specifics is going to be an issue, and at the very least imo you will get people trying to haggle down the price of the car because of the missing service(s).
Mechanically speaking you're probably fine since it's done so little mileage, but unless you get a decent wedge off the purchase price when you buy it I'd be anxious about what you'd lose come resale. It's broadly a similar principal to buying Cat D insurance writeoffs - it's a false economy to believe you're saving loads when you buy them because you'll lose at least the equivalent amount of money come resale. That said so long as it's cheap(er) than the corresponding F430 with a FFSH then you're probably safe.
It all depends really on a) how much you actually get off of it compared to an equivalent spec F430 with FFSH, b) how many miles you plan to do and/or how long you intend to own it for. Obviously if you intend to stick 20-30k+ miles on it then you're entering a different "sub market" of high (lol) mileage Ferraris and a missing service becomes less relevant in the grand scheme of things.
Just my 2p.
ps. I've never personally owned a Ferrari so take the above advice accordingly (or not at all!)
The market for a used F430 is already small relatively speaking, the market for a F430 with a patchy service history is even smaller. Anything that would cause people to have pause for thought before even speaking to you about the car specifics is going to be an issue, and at the very least imo you will get people trying to haggle down the price of the car because of the missing service(s).
Mechanically speaking you're probably fine since it's done so little mileage, but unless you get a decent wedge off the purchase price when you buy it I'd be anxious about what you'd lose come resale. It's broadly a similar principal to buying Cat D insurance writeoffs - it's a false economy to believe you're saving loads when you buy them because you'll lose at least the equivalent amount of money come resale. That said so long as it's cheap(er) than the corresponding F430 with a FFSH then you're probably safe.
It all depends really on a) how much you actually get off of it compared to an equivalent spec F430 with FFSH, b) how many miles you plan to do and/or how long you intend to own it for. Obviously if you intend to stick 20-30k+ miles on it then you're entering a different "sub market" of high (lol) mileage Ferraris and a missing service becomes less relevant in the grand scheme of things.
Just my 2p.
ps. I've never personally owned a Ferrari so take the above advice accordingly (or not at all!)
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