an average cost for the kit ?
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£35k ish is possible but you will need to forget the option list and source an engine for about £1k with a box about the same. Granada brakes, standard shocks, cheap hoses, etc.
Doing the above will give you a low resale value too.
To do a desirable build will cost £60k to £75K (VAT adds a big chunk).
But it's worth it!!!!!!!!
Paul
Doing the above will give you a low resale value too.
To do a desirable build will cost £60k to £75K (VAT adds a big chunk).
But it's worth it!!!!!!!!
Paul
Another question i have, this may be a bit off topic for this thread but, how reliable is the ultima with, lets say, an ls3 corvette engine, with occasional track use ? Alot of kit car owners seemed to working on bits and bobs here and there because of reliability issue. what are the weak links ? (if there are any)
Mjpmark said:
Ive not really heard many people comment on poor reliability, to be fair they seem farily good at handling whats thrown at them. Consider dry sump if doing mega track work, and some suspension supports for the rear. But a base Ultima with an LS3 will be fine for the track.
Suspension supports?02PRUV said:
Suspension supports?
An Ultima is a road car and the suspension mount points on the chassis are designed to tear away in a crash minimising the damage to the chassis and in turn cost of repair.For track use these points are reinforced using bolt on brackets available from Ultima. They should also be used for rolling road dyno runs.
Steve
Steve_D said:
An Ultima is a road car and the suspension mount points on the chassis are designed to tear away in a crash minimising the damage to the chassis and in turn cost of repair.
For track use these points are reinforced using bolt on brackets available from Ultima. They should also be used for rolling road dyno runs.
Steve
Anyone got any pics of these? Sounds like I'm going to need them.For track use these points are reinforced using bolt on brackets available from Ultima. They should also be used for rolling road dyno runs.
Steve
02PRUV said:
Anyone got any pics of these? Sounds like I'm going to need them.
They're in the factory updates sticky:http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
See my post Nov. 2008.
For the record, my GTR-S (Supercharged .383 SBC) ran 630hp and was dyno'd and tracked. Never had an issue with the stock mounts.
Stig said:
They're in the factory updates sticky:
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
See my post Nov. 2008.
For the record, my GTR-S (Supercharged .383 SBC) ran 630hp and was dyno'd and tracked. Never had an issue with the stock mounts.
Thanks mate. Missed those. Just spoke to the factory and ordered some. They said it's a good idea for the torque my engine makes and that it's going to be tuned on the dyno in the car.http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
See my post Nov. 2008.
For the record, my GTR-S (Supercharged .383 SBC) ran 630hp and was dyno'd and tracked. Never had an issue with the stock mounts.
Hi, i was thinking of going for an ultima gtr may be in the near future..Wanted to know about the comfort of the car since i am 6.3inches?? and whether gettin in and out of the car is difficult?? also would like to know what do you think is the best gear box option available to match with the ls3 engine..
adam 4 said:
Hi, i was thinking of going for an ultima gtr may be in the near future..Wanted to know about the comfort of the car since i am 6.3inches?? and whether gettin in and out of the car is difficult?? also would like to know what do you think is the best gear box option available to match with the ls3 engine..
Student grants must be more generous than I thought... 
adam 4 said:
Hi, i was thinking of going for an ultima gtr may be in the near future..Wanted to know about the comfort of the car since i am 6.3inches?? and whether gettin in and out of the car is difficult?? also would like to know what do you think is the best gear box option available to match with the ls3 engine..
6'3" is not a problem. That's what I am and fit comfortably. Getting in and out the easiest way is like a go-kart. Stand on the seat and slide in. G50 by the info I've been given is the stronger option between it and the getrag.Another question, which i have looked through in one of the other threads but not answered, is a general question about torsional rigidity
According to some of the research i have done, the torsional rigidity of the ultima is around 5000 nm/degree. This is very low by modern standards, however, it manages to outperform a ferrari fxx, a car that ferrari spend millions on developing, and ofcourse, has a high torsional rigidity rating. And its not only the fxx, its pretty much every car on the road today.
so what is torsional rigidity actually for ? is it really as important as people make it out to be in terms of outright performance ? because evidence shows its not, but million pounds of research can't be wrong.
According to some of the research i have done, the torsional rigidity of the ultima is around 5000 nm/degree. This is very low by modern standards, however, it manages to outperform a ferrari fxx, a car that ferrari spend millions on developing, and ofcourse, has a high torsional rigidity rating. And its not only the fxx, its pretty much every car on the road today.
so what is torsional rigidity actually for ? is it really as important as people make it out to be in terms of outright performance ? because evidence shows its not, but million pounds of research can't be wrong.
Very true but a whole package is the combination of vehicle mass, tyre, suspension, power to weight,aero etc etc....Whilst having a very stiff chassis and making suspension do the rest seems to be the current trend who knows what will be the preferred method in 10-20 yrs time... The game-masters have to change their theories as well as creep up the performance in order to sell their products.. otherwise its their game over... Interestingly I understood the current factory chassis has had some mods from the original design which may have altered the rigidity aspect!
A very rigid chassis makes a car more predictable for the engineers tuning the chassis/suspension for ultimate performance but it will lead to a car that is very edgy on the limit which may be great for a F1 car but not for a road car.
If you look at older racing car's they tend to have chassis that have "give" which makes them much more controllable on the limit.
I am not saying that the current Ultima chassis could not be improved but I would not like to loose the control on the limit.
Paul
If you look at older racing car's they tend to have chassis that have "give" which makes them much more controllable on the limit.
I am not saying that the current Ultima chassis could not be improved but I would not like to loose the control on the limit.
Paul
The chassis on my car has been modified and i am told is 3 times stiffer than a standard one.
I have not found it to be any more unforgiving on the limit than the standard chassis on my old GTR.
As mentioned previously, i don't think it is just the chassis, it is the whole package that contributes to good or bad road/race manners.
Martin.
I have not found it to be any more unforgiving on the limit than the standard chassis on my old GTR.
As mentioned previously, i don't think it is just the chassis, it is the whole package that contributes to good or bad road/race manners.
Martin.
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