Landrover 90/Series 3/V8 Hybrid
Discussion
Buggles said:
Yeah coil sprung mate, none of that leaf spring b
ks for me.
So, would a Series III body fit on to a 90 chassis, with a bit of bdising?
No not really.ks for me.So, would a Series III body fit on to a 90 chassis, with a bit of b
dising? Chopping a RR (or Disco) down to fit an 88 is/was quite common.
Do you have the V5 and is it road legal? You shouldn't have any issues, but the DVLA regs a little vague in some areas.
I would say the best way to id the chassis is look at the lower rear shock locations, the middle crossmembers, out riggers, body mounts, hubs, trailing arms.
It is possible to fit coils to a Series chassis, but it's a lot of work, suspect a lot more than just chopping down an RR.
Is there any reason you want to galvanize the chassis?
You won't be able to buy a replacement chassis for it off the shelf. Someone like Richards might build you one, but it'll cost and I daresay would need customising to your exact vehicle as nothing will be guaranteed to be in the same place as any other hybrid.
Best bet would be to get the current chassis galvanized, but that would involve a full vehicle rebuild, so lots of work.
If its built on an early RR chassis, then early RR's have opposed rear shocks, one will be in-front of the axle, the other side will behind.
Finding out what gearbox it has might be a clue too. Most V8 manual RR's used the 4 speed LT-95 box.
You won't be able to buy a replacement chassis for it off the shelf. Someone like Richards might build you one, but it'll cost and I daresay would need customising to your exact vehicle as nothing will be guaranteed to be in the same place as any other hybrid.
Best bet would be to get the current chassis galvanized, but that would involve a full vehicle rebuild, so lots of work.
If its built on an early RR chassis, then early RR's have opposed rear shocks, one will be in-front of the axle, the other side will behind.
Finding out what gearbox it has might be a clue too. Most V8 manual RR's used the 4 speed LT-95 box.
If you really want a galvanised chassis then Designachassis still do a chassis to 'convert' a series to coil springs.
What's it registered as on the V5? If it's still as a Range Rover then you'll have problems in the future - if it's as a series 3 then you'll have problems in the future
What's it registered as on the V5? If it's still as a Range Rover then you'll have problems in the future - if it's as a series 3 then you'll have problems in the future
I've got a similar hybrid -
The previous fitted the chopped Range Rover chassis in the early 90's (I've owned it since '95)
A steam clean when we first got it, hammeriting all accessible parts of the chassis and 2 lots of waxoyl have meant that it's only needed welding twice in the last 16 years.
The first time was on the fuel tank outriggers about 8 years ago and the second time was to replace the rear cross member and fill a couple of holes that were developing behind the original range rover boot floor supports that were still on the chassis.
As long as you put a bit of effort in up front and clean the chassis properly after an off road session there's not reason why a non galv chassis shouldn't last a long time.
The previous fitted the chopped Range Rover chassis in the early 90's (I've owned it since '95)
A steam clean when we first got it, hammeriting all accessible parts of the chassis and 2 lots of waxoyl have meant that it's only needed welding twice in the last 16 years.
The first time was on the fuel tank outriggers about 8 years ago and the second time was to replace the rear cross member and fill a couple of holes that were developing behind the original range rover boot floor supports that were still on the chassis.
As long as you put a bit of effort in up front and clean the chassis properly after an off road session there's not reason why a non galv chassis shouldn't last a long time.
Buggles said:
Not sure what it's registered as on the V5 yet, but basically from what you say it doesn't matter as I'm buggered anyway? What problems do you mean by the way?
JimexPL - I can't see your pics at work but I guess it's similar to mine. I think I will get underneath it when it gets here and have a real good poke around and clean up to see where I'm at with the chassis it's on now then.
I think he's driving at the fact it's a modified chassis. As I understand it as long as this was done *way* in the past and it's been recorded as such you should have no issues.JimexPL - I can't see your pics at work but I guess it's similar to mine. I think I will get underneath it when it gets here and have a real good poke around and clean up to see where I'm at with the chassis it's on now then.
If you built this now or were trying to register it now then you'd have to get a IVA before you could register it on the road.
Nice looking motor though, you should have some fun in that
task said:
I think he's driving at the fact it's a modified chassis. As I understand it as long as this was done *way* in the past and it's been recorded as such you should have no issues.
If you built this now or were trying to register it now then you'd have to get a IVA before you could register it on the road.
Nice looking motor though, you should have some fun in that
I seem to recall that the regulations changed in 1998, so if it was converted before then there shouldn't be any problem.If you built this now or were trying to register it now then you'd have to get a IVA before you could register it on the road.
Nice looking motor though, you should have some fun in that
The V5 should show it as a Landrover 88" with the correct engine size, engine number and vehicle colour. I doubt that there is any visible chassis number on your car (there wasn't on mine or on many landrovers as it is a common area to be welded), so this is down to a bit of creative interpretation!
It looks like your bulkhead might be from a 90, so it's unlikely that the ID plate (if there is one on there) matches the original body or chassis number.
It is unlikely that there is a registration issue with your car. They tend to be defenders impersonating tax exempt IIa's; Your car is clearly a series III that was probably converted some time ago before early range rovers had any value.
Buggles said:
JimexPl, why is it you think it looks like a Defender bulk head? I had assumed because of the split screen and the hinges that are sticking out it would be a series 3 bulk head. The Defender hinges sit flush. Being a Landy novice I am quite prepared to be wrong however!
James
3rd attempt at posting a reply, don't know what's up with PH/my pc today!
I was looking to buy a similar vehicale a couple of years back but it was still registered as a Range Rover - DVLA advised me then that it would have to go through SVA (now IVA) before they would accept it.
The id travels with the chassis, so fitting a series 3 body to a Range Rover chassis doesn't let you register it as the series 3. (both scenarios come under the radically altered vehicle rules)
Yours looks good and hopefully all will be well with your paperwork.
I was looking to buy a similar vehicale a couple of years back but it was still registered as a Range Rover - DVLA advised me then that it would have to go through SVA (now IVA) before they would accept it.
The id travels with the chassis, so fitting a series 3 body to a Range Rover chassis doesn't let you register it as the series 3. (both scenarios come under the radically altered vehicle rules)
Yours looks good and hopefully all will be well with your paperwork.
JimexPL said:
The dash binnacle is from an early defender, but it might be that someone has retrofitted this to the original series 3 bulkhead. The split screen can be fitted on a series or defender bulkhead.
James
I've not seen a 90 bulkhead with a Series screen fitted before. The Series just bolts on as it folds down. Can't do that on a 90.James
DVLA thinks it has a 2.25lt petrol engine, built in 1975 and first registered in 1980. This suggests that the modifications weren't notified pre SVA days. And it seems likely you have the Series V5 rather than the one relating to the chassis, which is almost certainly Range Rover.
As the chassis must have been altered it seems likely it should have an IVA, and as you didn't build it originally so can't claim amateur build, I wouldn't think a pass was viable.
You're unlikely to get any hassle unless you have a serious accident or the Police suspect there are stolen parts on it. Harsh as it may be an accurate description appears to be that it's a cut and shut job, with parts from numerous vehicles; origin unknown.
As the chassis must have been altered it seems likely it should have an IVA, and as you didn't build it originally so can't claim amateur build, I wouldn't think a pass was viable.
You're unlikely to get any hassle unless you have a serious accident or the Police suspect there are stolen parts on it. Harsh as it may be an accurate description appears to be that it's a cut and shut job, with parts from numerous vehicles; origin unknown.
task said:
fitting a series screen to a defender bulkhead is fairly easy to do.
That deff looks like a Defender bulkhead though, they look like early defender door bottoms too (locks through the door skin not in the handle).
Some late model series have locks through the door skins. My '83 station wagon has them and it has the original doors.That deff looks like a Defender bulkhead though, they look like early defender door bottoms too (locks through the door skin not in the handle).
Edited by JimexPL on Wednesday 18th May 12:17
Buggles said:
I was already aware that it's a cut and shut kind of job, I guess that's what Hybrid means.
I think this is the trouble with the SVA/IVA, it's not designed specifically for Land Rovers so very often the criteria seems rather inappropriate. For example you can build a 100" on a donor coil chassis and avoid the IVA; however change the rear cross member and you need one, even though this is a job regularly carried out on older LR vehicles. Gassing Station | Land Rover | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff