Speed cameras "face the axe"
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Article from the Eastern Daily Press
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The location of every speed camera in Britain is to be reviewed, it was announced yesterday as it emerged that cameras were threatening the livelihoods of professional drivers.
Transport Secretary Alistair Darling ordered the shake-up in the face of national disquiet over the yellow boxes dubbed the "motorists' enemy".
He said that, while the "vast majority" were helping cut accidents and reduce deaths and serious injuries, a review would show that others should be moved.
The move follows steps towards a system of flexible speeding penalties, with a sliding scale depending on how far over the limit drivers are travelling.
Meanwhile, hauliers in the region said speed cameras were making their lives more difficult and had led to good drivers losing their jobs.
Anthony Sutton, owner of a Bungay haulage company, said: "In the haulage trade they are a terrible thing. They probably cause more accidents than anything else.
"I got done myself three weeks ago, and got three points and a £60 fine. I was doing 50mph at 12.45am on an
A-road, when I was the only vehicle on the road."
One of Mr Sutton's drivers lost his licence only yesterday after being caught by speed cameras four times.
He said: "He is a chap of 56, not a harebrained lorry driver. He is now going to lose his licence and his job."
Heavy goods vehicles are restricted to 40mph on single carriageways, which means they either cause long tailbacks or risk speeding penalties.
Philip Frosdick, managing director of Haul Small at Yarmouth, said: "If every lorry stuck to the 40mph limit, it would bring the country to its knees. There would be chaos. Prices would go up because it would take longer to move everything.
"The police are pretty lenient but the cameras aren't. We know where they all are and we slow down when we get to them. The mobile ones are a bit of a nuisance."
He said that if it got worse, he would get speed camera detectors installed in every vehicle in the fleet.
Gary Long, financial controller of Blair Road Haulage in Northrepps, near Cromer, said: "There are just far too many cameras. Even in our company we have been done a few times for speeding. Our managing director is on the border of losing his licence through penalty points, and it's not because he is an irresponsible driver."
A Department for Transport survey showed most heavy goods vehicles break speed limits. On major non-built up single carriageway roads, 68% of articulated heavy goods vehicles were exceeding their 40mph limit.
Mr Darling told MPs details of each camera's effectiveness should be published next month, alongside an independent safety study.
"I have asked the department to look at each and every site in the whole country with a view to publishing details in relation to each site so people can see why the cameras were put there and the difference before and after.
"I have not the slightest doubt there will be some sites where it will be necessary for me to say to the local safety partnerships 'go and ask yourselves whether these cameras ought to be there or whether they should be moved elsewhere.'
"That is undoubtedly the case but the vast majority of them do save lives."
Supt Mark Veljovic, the chairman of the Norfolk Casualty Reduction Partnership, which oversees speed cameras in the county, said that local speed cameras were already under review.
"We are already doing a review of all our cameras, both fixed and mobile. We will then take action."
He was unable to comment on the concerns of local hauliers, but added: "We have always felt that speed cameras should be used as part of a menu for reducing casualties. The fact is that speed cameras do reduce accidents."
The RAC is to warn that motorists are losing respect for the police because of "robotic" speed enforcement methods, according to the RAC.
The decline in traffic police numbers should be reversed and police should be "more visibly present" on the roads, the RAC Foundation's executive director Edmund King said.
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The location of every speed camera in Britain is to be reviewed, it was announced yesterday as it emerged that cameras were threatening the livelihoods of professional drivers.
Transport Secretary Alistair Darling ordered the shake-up in the face of national disquiet over the yellow boxes dubbed the "motorists' enemy".
He said that, while the "vast majority" were helping cut accidents and reduce deaths and serious injuries, a review would show that others should be moved.
The move follows steps towards a system of flexible speeding penalties, with a sliding scale depending on how far over the limit drivers are travelling.
Meanwhile, hauliers in the region said speed cameras were making their lives more difficult and had led to good drivers losing their jobs.
Anthony Sutton, owner of a Bungay haulage company, said: "In the haulage trade they are a terrible thing. They probably cause more accidents than anything else.
"I got done myself three weeks ago, and got three points and a £60 fine. I was doing 50mph at 12.45am on an
A-road, when I was the only vehicle on the road."
One of Mr Sutton's drivers lost his licence only yesterday after being caught by speed cameras four times.
He said: "He is a chap of 56, not a harebrained lorry driver. He is now going to lose his licence and his job."
Heavy goods vehicles are restricted to 40mph on single carriageways, which means they either cause long tailbacks or risk speeding penalties.
Philip Frosdick, managing director of Haul Small at Yarmouth, said: "If every lorry stuck to the 40mph limit, it would bring the country to its knees. There would be chaos. Prices would go up because it would take longer to move everything.
"The police are pretty lenient but the cameras aren't. We know where they all are and we slow down when we get to them. The mobile ones are a bit of a nuisance."
He said that if it got worse, he would get speed camera detectors installed in every vehicle in the fleet.
Gary Long, financial controller of Blair Road Haulage in Northrepps, near Cromer, said: "There are just far too many cameras. Even in our company we have been done a few times for speeding. Our managing director is on the border of losing his licence through penalty points, and it's not because he is an irresponsible driver."
A Department for Transport survey showed most heavy goods vehicles break speed limits. On major non-built up single carriageway roads, 68% of articulated heavy goods vehicles were exceeding their 40mph limit.
Mr Darling told MPs details of each camera's effectiveness should be published next month, alongside an independent safety study.
"I have asked the department to look at each and every site in the whole country with a view to publishing details in relation to each site so people can see why the cameras were put there and the difference before and after.
"I have not the slightest doubt there will be some sites where it will be necessary for me to say to the local safety partnerships 'go and ask yourselves whether these cameras ought to be there or whether they should be moved elsewhere.'
"That is undoubtedly the case but the vast majority of them do save lives."
Supt Mark Veljovic, the chairman of the Norfolk Casualty Reduction Partnership, which oversees speed cameras in the county, said that local speed cameras were already under review.
"We are already doing a review of all our cameras, both fixed and mobile. We will then take action."
He was unable to comment on the concerns of local hauliers, but added: "We have always felt that speed cameras should be used as part of a menu for reducing casualties. The fact is that speed cameras do reduce accidents."
The RAC is to warn that motorists are losing respect for the police because of "robotic" speed enforcement methods, according to the RAC.
The decline in traffic police numbers should be reversed and police should be "more visibly present" on the roads, the RAC Foundation's executive director Edmund King said.
Funny - we had the "cameras are in the right places" report back in Feb-ish, did we not!
Wonder how long his nose is! Wonder if his sun tan is due to embarrassment as this article suggests!
Journalist Harry Mount in today's "Telegraph's - Commons Sketch" was pure magic!
He wrote:
"Closer you got to the front bench, and those more in favour of war, the deeper the tan.
"Alistair Darling, acknowledging that speed cameras had been snapping away on the wrong roads was as pretty as a beautifully -focused picture taken on M4 slip road on a peerless summer day - with his nut brown face, thatch of white hair and sprinkling of a pitch -black eye-brow - he looked like a tooothsome chocolate Cornetto
"Alongside him sat Kim Howells, Darling's Minister of State: His skin a radio-active orange, he spoke of hard service in his Pontypridd constituency, bathed in South Wales sunshine.
"But as the eye flickered over the back benches the colour drained away...... By the time you hit the last rows you were met by the troglodytes"
What a cheery read!
Wonder how long his nose is! Wonder if his sun tan is due to embarrassment as this article suggests!
Journalist Harry Mount in today's "Telegraph's - Commons Sketch" was pure magic!
He wrote:
"Closer you got to the front bench, and those more in favour of war, the deeper the tan.
"Alistair Darling, acknowledging that speed cameras had been snapping away on the wrong roads was as pretty as a beautifully -focused picture taken on M4 slip road on a peerless summer day - with his nut brown face, thatch of white hair and sprinkling of a pitch -black eye-brow - he looked like a tooothsome chocolate Cornetto
"Alongside him sat Kim Howells, Darling's Minister of State: His skin a radio-active orange, he spoke of hard service in his Pontypridd constituency, bathed in South Wales sunshine.
"But as the eye flickered over the back benches the colour drained away...... By the time you hit the last rows you were met by the troglodytes"
What a cheery read!
And the examples and anecdotes from scammered victims do rather spell out the flaws in this daft speed enforcement policy.
But .... will they admit they have been fleecing? If those scams have to be removed - will those penalised under falsoe pretences get their points rescinded and their fines refunded?
Think I have been at my own pills here! 
But .... will they admit they have been fleecing? If those scams have to be removed - will those penalised under falsoe pretences get their points rescinded and their fines refunded?
Think I have been at my own pills here!
[quote]The location of every speed camera in Britain is to be reviewed, it was announced yesterday [/quote]
what a crock of s**t!
[quote]it emerged that cameras were threatening the livelihoods of professional drivers.[/quote]
realy?....and its taken you lot over 7yrs to realise this........nobs!
[quote]Transport Secretary Alistair Darling (wankstain) ordered the shake-up in the face of national disquiet over the yellow boxes dubbed the "motorists' enemy".
He said that, while the "vast majority" were helping cut accidents and reduce deaths and serious injuries, a review would show that others should be moved. [/quote]
yeah....right,of course,we believe everything you say.....you two-faced lying sack of crap!
[quote] The move follows steps towards a system of flexible speeding penalties, with a sliding scale depending on how far over the limit drivers are travelling. [/quote]
oh yes,the 'try to give the motorist a break without actually changing anything except lowering speedo error thresholds to catch more of you and make more money' system......another load of crap.
[quote]Meanwhile, hauliers in the region said speed cameras were making their lives more difficult and had led to good drivers losing their jobs.
Anthony Sutton, owner of a Bungay haulage company, said: "In the haulage trade they are a terrible thing. They probably cause more accidents than anything else.
"I got done myself three weeks ago, and got three points and a £60 fine. I was doing 50mph at 12.45am on an A-road, when I was the only vehicle on the road." [/quote]
yep,another display of how speed cameras are used to save lives and not just raise revinue.......NOT!!
[quote]One of Mr Sutton's drivers lost his licence only yesterday after being caught by speed cameras four times.
He said: "He is a chap of 56, not a harebrained lorry driver. He is now going to lose his licence and his job." [/quote]
so there is another person who will become a statistic claiming benefit through these feckin cameras.....unless the guy becomes mcdonalds oldest employee.
[quote] Heavy goods vehicles are restricted to 40mph on single carriageways, which means they either cause long tailbacks or risk speeding penalties.[/quote]
and dont forget the accidents from people with no clue on how to overtake a lorry hitting cars head-on
[quote]He said that if it got worse, he would get speed camera detectors installed in every vehicle in the fleet.[/quote]
do it anyway!
[quote] A Department for Transport survey showed most heavy goods vehicles break speed limits. On major non-built up single carriageway roads, 68% of articulated heavy goods vehicles were exceeding their 40mph limit.[/quote]
and what does that say to you??....THE SPEED LIMIT FOR TRUCKS ON 'A' ROADS IS TOO SLOW!
[quote]Mr Darling (wankstain) told MPs details of each camera's effectiveness should be published next month, alongside an independent safety study.
"I have asked the department to look at each and every site in the whole country with a view to publishing details in relation to each site so people can see why the cameras were put there and the difference before and after."
"I have not the slightest doubt there will be some sites where it will be necessary for me to say to the local safety partnerships 'go and ask yourselves whether these cameras ought to be there or whether they should be moved elsewhere." [/quote]
hmmmmmm....i can see the report findings and suprise,suprise all the cameras will be deamed as well-sited as the whole scamera partnerships and the gvt are all lying c***s!
[quote]"That is undoubtedly the case but the vast majority of them do save lives."[/quote]
what,at 3am on a deserted duel carriageway?.....who's that gonna save,you jackass?.....maybe some stuff that will eventually end up as 'roadkill' anyway!
[quote]Supt Mark Veljovic, the chairman of the Norfolk Casualty Reduction Partnership, which oversees speed cameras in the county, said that local speed cameras were already under review.
He was unable to comment on the concerns of local hauliers, but added: "We have always felt that speed cameras should be used as part of a menu for reducing casualties. The fact is that speed cameras do reduce accidents." [/quote]
so,anyone else not had an accident due to a speed camera saving the day by swooping down with lois lane in tow?....nah,i didnt think so!
[quote] The RAC is to warn that motorists are losing respect for the police because of "robotic" speed enforcement methods.[/quote]
the police fed did that themselves only last week,iirc
[quote]The decline in traffic police numbers should be reversed and police should be "more visibly present" on the roads, the RAC Foundation's executive director Edmund King said.
[/quote]
its what has been said on here for ages,its a pitty the gvt would rather spend untold amounts on bloody useless shite yet where it comes to our trafpol they wish to do it 'on the cheap'......the gvt and the scamera partnerships all suck on the devils chod!
>> Edited by cortinaman on Wednesday 19th May 22:49
what a crock of s**t!
[quote]it emerged that cameras were threatening the livelihoods of professional drivers.[/quote]
realy?....and its taken you lot over 7yrs to realise this........nobs!
[quote]Transport Secretary Alistair Darling (wankstain) ordered the shake-up in the face of national disquiet over the yellow boxes dubbed the "motorists' enemy".
He said that, while the "vast majority" were helping cut accidents and reduce deaths and serious injuries, a review would show that others should be moved. [/quote]
yeah....right,of course,we believe everything you say.....you two-faced lying sack of crap!
[quote] The move follows steps towards a system of flexible speeding penalties, with a sliding scale depending on how far over the limit drivers are travelling. [/quote]
oh yes,the 'try to give the motorist a break without actually changing anything except lowering speedo error thresholds to catch more of you and make more money' system......another load of crap.
[quote]Meanwhile, hauliers in the region said speed cameras were making their lives more difficult and had led to good drivers losing their jobs.
Anthony Sutton, owner of a Bungay haulage company, said: "In the haulage trade they are a terrible thing. They probably cause more accidents than anything else.
"I got done myself three weeks ago, and got three points and a £60 fine. I was doing 50mph at 12.45am on an A-road, when I was the only vehicle on the road." [/quote]
yep,another display of how speed cameras are used to save lives and not just raise revinue.......NOT!!
[quote]One of Mr Sutton's drivers lost his licence only yesterday after being caught by speed cameras four times.
He said: "He is a chap of 56, not a harebrained lorry driver. He is now going to lose his licence and his job." [/quote]
so there is another person who will become a statistic claiming benefit through these feckin cameras.....unless the guy becomes mcdonalds oldest employee.
[quote] Heavy goods vehicles are restricted to 40mph on single carriageways, which means they either cause long tailbacks or risk speeding penalties.[/quote]
and dont forget the accidents from people with no clue on how to overtake a lorry hitting cars head-on
[quote]He said that if it got worse, he would get speed camera detectors installed in every vehicle in the fleet.[/quote]
do it anyway!
[quote] A Department for Transport survey showed most heavy goods vehicles break speed limits. On major non-built up single carriageway roads, 68% of articulated heavy goods vehicles were exceeding their 40mph limit.[/quote]
and what does that say to you??....THE SPEED LIMIT FOR TRUCKS ON 'A' ROADS IS TOO SLOW!
[quote]Mr Darling (wankstain) told MPs details of each camera's effectiveness should be published next month, alongside an independent safety study.
"I have asked the department to look at each and every site in the whole country with a view to publishing details in relation to each site so people can see why the cameras were put there and the difference before and after."
"I have not the slightest doubt there will be some sites where it will be necessary for me to say to the local safety partnerships 'go and ask yourselves whether these cameras ought to be there or whether they should be moved elsewhere." [/quote]
hmmmmmm....i can see the report findings and suprise,suprise all the cameras will be deamed as well-sited as the whole scamera partnerships and the gvt are all lying c***s!
[quote]"That is undoubtedly the case but the vast majority of them do save lives."[/quote]
what,at 3am on a deserted duel carriageway?.....who's that gonna save,you jackass?.....maybe some stuff that will eventually end up as 'roadkill' anyway!
[quote]Supt Mark Veljovic, the chairman of the Norfolk Casualty Reduction Partnership, which oversees speed cameras in the county, said that local speed cameras were already under review.
He was unable to comment on the concerns of local hauliers, but added: "We have always felt that speed cameras should be used as part of a menu for reducing casualties. The fact is that speed cameras do reduce accidents." [/quote]
so,anyone else not had an accident due to a speed camera saving the day by swooping down with lois lane in tow?....nah,i didnt think so!
[quote] The RAC is to warn that motorists are losing respect for the police because of "robotic" speed enforcement methods.[/quote]
the police fed did that themselves only last week,iirc
[quote]The decline in traffic police numbers should be reversed and police should be "more visibly present" on the roads, the RAC Foundation's executive director Edmund King said.
[/quote]
its what has been said on here for ages,its a pitty the gvt would rather spend untold amounts on bloody useless shite yet where it comes to our trafpol they wish to do it 'on the cheap'......the gvt and the scamera partnerships all suck on the devils chod!
>> Edited by cortinaman on Wednesday 19th May 22:49
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