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Anyone else think that it's appalling that his personal life gets splashed all over the media when, in fact, the only reason he's been dragged into the public domain is because someone murdered his teenage daughter?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13416331
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13416331
To be honest I think the media need reigning back a bit. I'm not sure Max Moseley losing that injuction thingy was entirely good either. There is no public interest that the father was under suspicion or anything else about his private life as its not him being tried and they've already been through enough.
Andy Zarse said:
Sort of, the poor b
d.
However, it appears the discovery of his strange sexual proclivaties are relevant as to why his daughter was unhappy and ran away from home. They didn't mention it in court for fun, I guess.
Unless I'm mistaken, the 'running away' and the day she was murdered aren't one and the same.d. However, it appears the discovery of his strange sexual proclivaties are relevant as to why his daughter was unhappy and ran away from home. They didn't mention it in court for fun, I guess.
defence are cearly trying to plant a seed of doubt.
Thing is, the evidence in this case is pretty circumstantial. Cause of death was never established, no witnesses, no car ever found, items from the probable scene of crime all burned etc.
His defence will be 'wy am I being accused when the girl lived with a self confessed deviant'?
He'll probably get away with this, imo, sadly. Lets just thank god he's doing double life anyway.
Thing is, the evidence in this case is pretty circumstantial. Cause of death was never established, no witnesses, no car ever found, items from the probable scene of crime all burned etc.
His defence will be 'wy am I being accused when the girl lived with a self confessed deviant'?
He'll probably get away with this, imo, sadly. Lets just thank god he's doing double life anyway.
Cupramax said:
To be honest I think the media need reigning back a bit. I'm not sure Max Moseley losing that injuction thingy was entirely good either. There is no public interest that the father was under suspicion or anything else about his private life as its not him being tried and they've already been through enough.
This chap's proclivities are not public interest. But, to be fair, the public will lose interst soon enough. He, apparently, has odd but legl sexual habits. If the chap was a mate of mine it would make no difference to me. If those who indulge in it do so willingly, are not bought and paid for, then so be it. Some of the things I did as a kid I would not have wanted people to know about then. Or even now, although times have changed and such activities seem almost compulsory.
But the fact that it is being brought up at a trial for murder of a child is of interest to us. If the case collapses because the defence relied on matter which is irrelevant then we should know. I feel sorry for the bloke but we need freedom of the press. The alternative is the possibility of politically motivated judges being able to reduce our freedoms and instead blacken the name of people too poor to be able to avail themselves of their expensive services. That would be dreadful although, of course, would never happen in this free country. We'd be stupid to allow it. One would expect any judge who tried to limit our rights to be pilloried.
The freedoms we enjoy were hard won and still cost. Part of that cost is having truths revealed. Enjoying wierd sexual practices is wierd but it is not something that is to be obhored. As long as he doesn't take it through court after court, mention it to anyone who is within earshot, and make himself appear as the norm then in three months time he'll revert to the chap whose daughter was so brutally murdered.
Mosley, as boss of a multi-£m enterprise, should not have put himself at risk of being blackmailed. If it had been thought that he was partial in any decision then one might wonder if pressure had been put on him. Any executive who had worked hard in private, or even publick, industries to get to such a level would have had to resign immediately. Some might have done so just to protect the name and financial status of the company they worked for. I have no truck with the NotW but I hae to admit they did us all a favour by revealing the nature of the man running the FIA. They also did him a favour by protecting him from being blackmailed.
I feel sorry for Milly's father but mainly for his loss of his daughter and not for his loss of dignity.
V8mate said:
Anyone else think that it's appalling that his personal life gets splashed all over the media when, in fact, the only reason he's been dragged into the public domain is because someone murdered his teenage daughter?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13416331
Couldn't agree more. I was disgusted reading the article on the Guardian (I know, I know) website yesterday. Ok, so this is something which has to be brought up in court and investiaged by the police, but to bring up the guy's private life like that in the national media, which you only found out about because his child was murdered, is absolutely disgusting.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-13416331
I wouldn't for one second suggest that the press SHOULDN'T be allowed to report these things, I just wish they wouldn't.
Andy Zarse said:
Sort of, the poor bd.
However, it appears the discovery of his strange sexual proclivaties are relevant as to why his daughter was unhappy and ran away from home. They didn't mention it in court for fun, I guess.
The defence never metnion anything for fun.d. However, it appears the discovery of his strange sexual proclivaties are relevant as to why his daughter was unhappy and ran away from home. They didn't mention it in court for fun, I guess.
If the police case was solid and there was plenty of evidence I used to hate going to court. The defence would then attack everything else and bring in all sorts of inconsequential information or go for procedure just to confuse the jury. I was once called to a trial where the evidence was concrete so I knew I'd have aggravation.
I ran the ID parade and they defence lawers had discovered an anomoly. It seemed I, as ID officer, had not given my reasons for opting for video ID and then, when the defence had objected, I had ignored their objections.
They were going to try and get this bloke, who had assualted a series of 10-12 year old boys in a most disgusting way (and got of 26 other offences, all on challenges to procedure). CPS were going to abandon the case to limit damages. Absolutely incredible.
I would guess that the defence brought up the father's sexual habits to put doubt in the minds of the jury. The fact that there was no evidence against the father discovered by the police, or the defence come to that, would not be noticed by the 12 good men and true they hope.
If you are ever on a jury and find the defence brining in inconsequential material, just ask yourself what the facts are.
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Typical defence QC I'm afraid. He doesn't give two sts about the right or wrongs of tearing the bloke up. He cares about one thing. Getting his client off. It's all just a game.
Same for both sides, this doesn't just occur with defence lawyers. It is the full kit and caboodle. ts about the right or wrongs of tearing the bloke up. He cares about one thing. Getting his client off. It's all just a game. Derek Smith said:
Cupramax said:
... I feel sorry for Milly's father but mainly for his loss of his daughter and not for his loss of dignity.
I agree with you, I do to. 'Dignity' is a transient concept and one that at best is subjective. Sadly the loss of his daughter is one that will never be replaced. The dignity of the individual in cases such as this is how you carry yourself throughout the godawful process. I can't begin to imagine how it must feel to have to go through this. It would break many a person.drivin_me_nuts said:
Derek Smith said:
Cupramax said:
... I feel sorry for Milly's father but mainly for his loss of his daughter and not for his loss of dignity.
I agree with you, I do to. 'Dignity' is a transient concept and one that at best is subjective. Sadly the loss of his daughter is one that will never be replaced. The dignity of the individual in cases such as this is how you carry yourself throughout the godawful process. I can't begin to imagine how it must feel to have to go through this. It would break many a person.Derek Smith said:
drivin_me_nuts said:
Derek Smith said:
Cupramax said:
... I feel sorry for Milly's father but mainly for his loss of his daughter and not for his loss of dignity.
I agree with you, I do to. 'Dignity' is a transient concept and one that at best is subjective. Sadly the loss of his daughter is one that will never be replaced. The dignity of the individual in cases such as this is how you carry yourself throughout the godawful process. I can't begin to imagine how it must feel to have to go through this. It would break many a person.
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