Vacume advance disconnected
Vacume advance disconnected
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chris2002hk

Original Poster:

168 posts

193 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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Since Ive had my car the Vac advance pipe has being missing, the hole taped up at the plenium, and the dizzy end is left open. I cant figure what the reason would be for this, presumbly its best to fit a new tube to improve MPG?

900T-R

20,406 posts

288 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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Yes and no. Indeed, running a bit more advance under vacuum is good for fuel efficiency - however, the vacuum advance unit is said not to react quickly enough to going from light throttle to WOT and thus will momentarily induce pinking. To counteract this, you'd need to lessen overall ignition advance and be back at square one as far as fuel efficiency is concerned.

Either on your car the vacuum advance unit has been taken out the loop because there was something wrong with it, or the prior owner/their mechanic has found that they ran into detonation when getting on the throttle - take your pick. wink

dog man

552 posts

233 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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Didnt they all come with the one way valve originally to stop the vacuum adv working because of concerns over pinking?

rigga

8,807 posts

232 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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No the one way valve was to stop fuel vapour being drawn back through from the plenum to the vac unit and destroying the diaphram ...

haircutmike

22,511 posts

235 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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Either way it must be better to run the original set up shirley?

900T-R

20,406 posts

288 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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haircutmike said:
Either way it must be better to run the original set up shirley?
Well, that's the controversy - I have different readings from TVR folks whose opinion I respect, hence the above.

haircutmike

22,511 posts

235 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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900T-R said:
Well, that's the controversy - I have different readings from TVR folks whose opinion I respect, hence the above.
Minor thread hijack, sorry O/P!

Is this a teeny performance mod enabling a bit more advance or is best left well alone?

For instance, my timing was advanced untill it just started pinking under load when hot, (track conditions) and then backed off untill it didn't.
I assume you're talking about initial pick up not prolonged throttle under load?

900T-R

20,406 posts

288 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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Yes, initial pick up. I'd not disconnect the vacuum advance on a std car that functions well, but OTOH the carbon twin and triple throttle plenum set ups from ACT don't feature a vacuum hose connection for the ignition vacuum advance unit anymore as 'we found it's a waste of time'. However, Mark Adams does seem to see the value in having the vacuum advance unit working as intended...

Of course, mapped ignition would be the way to go, anyway...

Simon says

19,462 posts

252 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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Absolutely killed the low speed off cam low speed running on my 400 HC when the advance capsule failed more to do with the fact the engine is over cammed and needs all the help it can get I expect scratchchin if the motor shows no ill effect from using it I would always leave it connected constant throttle fuel economy will suffer as a result if you don't smile just my take biggrin you may find its been capped because it as failed though frown


Edited by Simon says on Wednesday 18th May 09:21

SILICONEKID340HP

14,997 posts

262 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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My old 4l was set up more advanced with no vac pipe connected ,more power higher up the rev range,lower mpg and rubbish low down drivability ..if it`s set up this way when you reconnect the vac pipe it may pink so the timming will need retarding...

darkcat

2,354 posts

201 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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my advance unit was duff when i tested it last summer, fitted a new one and definately noticed better fuel economy and a bit more grunt high in the rev range.

blitzracing

6,422 posts

251 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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rigga said:
No the one way valve was to stop fuel vapour being drawn back through from the plenum to the vac unit and destroying the diaphram ...
There must be some sort of air inlet somewhere to allow the diaphram to return to its resting position when the vac' drops then?

taylormj4

1,635 posts

297 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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I thought vacuum advance was to help with acceleration, i.e. when the vacuum is transfered to the dizzy, rather than helping to improve performance ? Doesn't it oppose the centrifugal advance system ?
Matt

Simon says

19,462 posts

252 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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blitzracing said:
rigga said:
No the one way valve was to stop fuel vapour being drawn back through from the plenum to the vac unit and destroying the diaphram ...
There must be some sort of air inlet somewhere to allow the diaphram to return to its resting position when the vac' drops then?
yes some of those valve looking units are nothing more than sandwiched fabric to stop or absorb the vapours getting to the vacuum canister diaphragm unless they are one way valves but then its as Mark/Blitz just stated and can't be scratchchin Taylormj4 don't performance and acceleration merge?

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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taylormj4 said:
I thought vacuum advance was to help with acceleration, i.e. when the vacuum is transfered to the dizzy, rather than helping to improve performance ? Doesn't it oppose the centrifugal advance system ?
Matt
When accelerating throttle is normally open, engine vacuum rises when sucking against a closed throttle.

Positioning (vs butterfly) and orifice size are quite critical

Milky400

1,960 posts

209 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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spend said:
When accelerating throttle is normally open, engine vacuum rises when sucking against a closed throttle.

Positioning (vs butterfly) and orifice size are quite critical
Am i the only one slightly turned on by that paragraph hehe

SILICONEKID340HP

14,997 posts

262 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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You can get more power by diconnecting the vac pipe by advancing the timming at 3000rpm ,this gives you more advance than the standard setup .The problem is low end drivability and slightly lower MPG.This is why people go for the Malory dizzy or after market ECU.

M@H

11,298 posts

303 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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Milky400 said:
Am i the only one slightly turned on by that paragraph hehe
Yes nono



hehe

taylormj4

1,635 posts

297 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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spend said:
When accelerating throttle is normally open, engine vacuum rises when sucking against a closed throttle.

Positioning (vs butterfly) and orifice size are quite critical
When accelerating throttle is 'always' open surely,lol. Engine vacuum is high against a closed throttle as you said but I thought the vac advance was connected to the AFM side of the butterfly, i.e. when you open the throttle you reduce the air pressure at the vac hose. Is the vac hose attached to the engine side of the butterfly ?

Simon says

19,462 posts

252 months

Wednesday 18th May 2011
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Is the vac hose attached to the engine side of the butterfly ?
[/quote] Yes smile and small throttle openings will still create enough vacuum for the capsule to play cool