Would you change jobs in these circumstances?

[oldbanger]

I'm in the situation of having had a surprise job offer that I need to make my mind up about.

Pros - small pay rise, slightly more senior, reduced risk of redundancy, slighly different field which will open new doors, work looks very interesting if rather specialised

Cons - Can't get registered childcare to cover working hours plus the commute (I'm having to employ a neighbour to make up the shortfall), having to commute by train instead of car (a lot less reliable from experience), loss of flexible working, loss of benefits such as sick pay and paid emergency dependants leave (I haven't used either but they're there as a safety net), loss of several days annual leave per year, plus a worse pension, no annual leave allowed during induction (which appears to last a couple of months so will mean I will have to cancel the only foreign holiday I've booked in several years, unless I hand my notice in before they confirm the offer of employment - they won't untill they get my references), back on probation/first year of employment, work is much less varied than current role meaning potential loss of skills, no chance of going back to old job once I've left as recuitment freeze for at least a couple more years.

I actually do want to work for the company, I'm just not sure I can afford it, and they expect an answer very soon. My other half is ambivalent to say the least, which is no help.

Edited by oldbanger on Friday 20th May 20:15

[TwistingMyMelon]

Try negotiating with the new employer, you might be surprised. I would at the very least get them to honour the holiday booking.

Difficult though!

[oldbanger]

TwistingMyMelon said:

Try negotiating with the new employer, you might be surprised. I would at the very least get them to honour the holiday booking.

Difficult though!

Thanks. I've been trying to negotiate re holiday booking and working hours (I was lead to beleive that I could alter my hours, but to be honest this still doesn't work with the childcare situation as I'm short no matter how early I start). My problem is that negotiations have to go through HR, who have sat on things for a week now.

Cancelling the holiday has not gone down well with the OH as this is a big family holiday (10 of us are supposed to be going - 6 of them kids). He could go without me, but I think the plan was that out of the 2 of us I deal with all the logistics of moving that many kids from here to the arctic circle.

[SLCZ3]

oldbanger said:

the logistics of moving that many kids from here to the arctic circle.

and back????

[oldbanger]

SLCZ3 said:

and back????

that depends on whether they behave

[shirt]

oldbanger said:

My problem is that negotiations have to go through HR, who have sat on things for a week now.

speak to the person who hired you with your concerns. IME, a hiring manager who want you for the role will lean on them considerably until they comply.

[matt28]

shirt said:

speak to the person who hired you with your concerns. IME, a hiring manager who want you for the role will lean on them considerably until they comply.

This.

A decent company who strives for a happy, motivated and flexible workforce will realise that the flexibility works both ways. TBH, any company that expects you to cancel an already booked holiday during your first couple of months is probably bad news anyway.

[jdbecks]

by the sounds of things, you seem to have a better deal at your present company.

[XJSJohn]

Without knowing the circumstances in more detail -

bypass HR and talk to your direct hiring manager, this is the person that wants you to work for them. Give them the situation / issues / reasons that current job is still better and see what they say, then let them badger the HR rather than you.

Definitely insist that your current holiday needs to be honoured. A good line on this is - its booked and therefore i will not be taking any other extended leave for at least the next 6 - 8 months (or some other BS)

They have come to you so they need you more than you need them, - you already have a good job so use that to your advantage

[oldbanger]

Well I've accepted the job (they agreed to the holiday) - I'm just waiting now to hear when I need to hand in my notice, as I won't do so until they confirm the offer (it's still subject to blah blah blah). (ETA they did want me to hand in my notice before they do so).

I have wondered if I'm doing the right thing, but then only time will tell. Looking at the benefits package, it's not quite as bad as it looked at first reading. My current unit is going to keep getting cut for at least another couple of years, and it's been pretty indiscriminate of late. I'm awfully sad about going though.

Edited by oldbanger on Tuesday 24th May 22:10

[XJSJohn]

oldbanger said:

Well I've accepted the job (they agreed to the holiday) - I'm just waiting now to hear when I need to hand in my notice, as I won't do so until they confirm the offer (it's still subject to blah blah blah). (ETA they did want me to hand in my notice before they do so).

wait until formal contract is signed before walking away from anything - not saying that this lot will but i have seen (on rare occasions) some companies right royally fk people over in this way!