Not Speeding - sex
Discussion
You will have read about the film "Nine Songs".
It contains (apparently almost exclusively) scenes of non-simulated sex. As it is reasonable to assume that the actress Margo Stilley was paid for her involvement ... isn't this prostitution?
Isn't it also the case that the producers and cinema operators who will make money from this, will be "living off the proceeds of immoral earnings" (or whatever the charge is nowadays)?
Lawyers/Bi - comments?
Streaky
It contains (apparently almost exclusively) scenes of non-simulated sex. As it is reasonable to assume that the actress Margo Stilley was paid for her involvement ... isn't this prostitution?
Isn't it also the case that the producers and cinema operators who will make money from this, will be "living off the proceeds of immoral earnings" (or whatever the charge is nowadays)?
Lawyers/Bi - comments?
Streaky
The mind boggles Streaky and I think you need to take a cold shower....
She is not selling her body for sex but her talents as an actress, a different kettle of fish. So not prostitution.
DVD
PS. How do you know it was the real thing and not just burb to sell the film?????? The only time no complaint when the camera flashed...
She is not selling her body for sex but her talents as an actress, a different kettle of fish. So not prostitution.
DVD
PS. How do you know it was the real thing and not just burb to sell the film?????? The only time no complaint when the camera flashed...
Dwight VanDriver said:Oh, you mean like in marriage?
The mind boggles Streaky and I think you need to take a cold shower....
She is not selling her body for sex but her talents as an actress, a different kettle of fish. So not prostitution.
DVD
PS. How do you know it was the real thing and not just burb to sell the film?????? The only time no complaint when the camera flashed...
My point was that she was being paid to have sex (assuming the blurb and reports from Cannes are correct, apparently the oral sex - although according to a past US President this is not "sex" - and ejaculations are very real) and not to act out scenes of intercourse.
Would a defence for a "common prostitute" be to say that she was being paid to act as a wife?
Interesting debate, I await DVD's response, then I will stop to prevent any accusation of "trolling".
Streaky
and everyone then types in "nine songs film" into google to find out more 
Taken from here
>> Edited by docevi1 on Friday 21st May 11:41
Taken from here
Guardian paper said:
The most sexually explicit film in the history of mainstream British cinema, containing unsimulated sex scenes including fellatio, ejaculation and cunnilingus, many in close-up, yesterday had its first screening at Cannes. Michael Winterbottom, the Lancashire-born director of Nine Songs, a love story, said: "I had been thinking for a while about the fact that most cinematic love stories miss out on the physical relationship, and if it is indicated at all everyone knows it is fake.
"Books deal explicitly with sex, as they do with any other subject. Cinema has been extremely conservative and prudish. I wanted to go to the opposite extreme and show a relationship only through sex. Part of the point of making the film was to say, 'What's wrong with showing sex?'"
The film revolves around a young couple in London, Matt and his American girlfriend Lisa. The sex scenes, which occupy more than half of the film, are intercut with scenes of bands playing, including Franz Ferdinand, the Dandy Warhols, Black Rebel Motorcycle Club and Super Furry Animals. The story is framed by shots of Matt flying over the desolate plains of Antarctica, as he remembers the relationship from afar.
The screening yesterday was at 10am, too soon after breakfast for many viewers. The grunt and huff-and-puff factor in the film is notably high, and the language is strong.
Matt is played by Kieran O'Brien, with whom Winterbottom has worked on a previous film, 24 Hour Party People. However, the woman playing Lisa has asked that her name not be used in coverage of the movie, although it does appear in the credits. "She's not an actress," said Winterbottom. "She really likes the film but she is going back to university and I think she wants to keep a low profile."
Despite the intimacy of the subject-matter, shooting the film was straightforward, according to Winterbottom. Having cast the two leads, a rehearsal was staged, after which they were given the opportunity to leave the project. "After a couple of days it was a case of that was what we were doing, and everyone adapted," he said. It was a matter of going "one step further" than the requirements of conventional, simulated sex scenes.
The film has not yet been given a certificate, though Winterbottom is optimistic. Of the fellatio-and-ejaculation scene, the one likely to give the censors most pause, he said: "We can always take that out."
In the film the couple also attend Michael Nyman's 60th birthday concert, with shots of the composer playing the piano at the Hackney Empire in east London. "I'm very pleased to be in the most sexually explicit film in British film history," said Nyman from Berlin yesterday, "especially as I am not doing anything sexual. I can't wait to see it."
Derek Malcolm, the Guardian's veteran film writer, said: "Nine Songs looks like a porn movie, but it feels like a love story. The sex is used as a metaphor for the rest of the couple's relationship. And it is shot with Winterbottom's customary sensitivity."
Winterbottom's previous work includes the 1996 Jude, an adaptation of Thomas Hardy's novel starring Kate Winslet and Christopher Eccleston, and Welcome to Sarajevo, about an ITN reporter's adoption of a Bosnian child. He is currently working on a football movie, Goal.
>> Edited by docevi1 on Friday 21st May 11:41
Streaky... I stand by my original reply.
The profession of Prostitute has been with us from time immemorial and per se is not illegal but can be so when coupled with certain aspects, i.e. age, mentality, procurement, brothels, soliciting etc.
Matters, I would submit, filmed behind closed door with the true consent of adults, likewise does not
infringe criminal codes. Pamela Anderson and her beau springs to mind. Once published, if likely to deprave, is a different matter and once the film has passed censorship it is deemed to be OK for consumption by a certain aged section of the public.
Soliciting as a common prostitute is out as not previously warned or done in public view or place when first undertaken.
Living off immoral earnings out as Film Producer/Backer pays her as opposed to the other way round.
All perfectly lawful it would appear.
DVD
PS. An old crew mate of mine who was a Sub Mariner always said those who went in Subs should never wear cuff links in their shirt sleeves.................(Think about it)
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Friday 21st May 16:04
The profession of Prostitute has been with us from time immemorial and per se is not illegal but can be so when coupled with certain aspects, i.e. age, mentality, procurement, brothels, soliciting etc.
Matters, I would submit, filmed behind closed door with the true consent of adults, likewise does not
infringe criminal codes. Pamela Anderson and her beau springs to mind. Once published, if likely to deprave, is a different matter and once the film has passed censorship it is deemed to be OK for consumption by a certain aged section of the public.
Soliciting as a common prostitute is out as not previously warned or done in public view or place when first undertaken.
Living off immoral earnings out as Film Producer/Backer pays her as opposed to the other way round.
All perfectly lawful it would appear.
DVD
PS. An old crew mate of mine who was a Sub Mariner always said those who went in Subs should never wear cuff links in their shirt sleeves.................(Think about it)
>> Edited by Dwight VanDriver on Friday 21st May 16:04
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