Is Whiting too old/risk-averse, should Petrov be penalised?
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Many didn't see any need for a red flag in order to deal with Petrov's crash, an act which effectively gifted the race win to Vettel. In years gone by it wouldn't have happened. Whiting seems, to me at least, to be getting more risk-averse as he gets older. He's been in-post since 1997; is it time for a change?
Equally, should Petrov be penalised for having caused a race to be needlessly stopped? It is reported that he complained solely of a pain to the ankle - surely he should be getting a penalty for not just stepping out of the car?
Equally, should Petrov be penalised for having caused a race to be needlessly stopped? It is reported that he complained solely of a pain to the ankle - surely he should be getting a penalty for not just stepping out of the car?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX5Qxaixdu0&fea...
Wonder if whatever flew into his cockpit at 00.04 was the cause of his injury upon contact with the barriers. We were told the cockpits were basically bullet proof from the outside, but what if a foreign object is already inside?
Wonder if whatever flew into his cockpit at 00.04 was the cause of his injury upon contact with the barriers. We were told the cockpits were basically bullet proof from the outside, but what if a foreign object is already inside?
vescaegg said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX5Qxaixdu0&fea...
Wonder if whatever flew into his cockpit at 00.04 was the cause of his injury upon contact with the barriers. We were told the cockpits were basically bullet proof from the outside, but what if a foreign object is already inside?
tear off?Wonder if whatever flew into his cockpit at 00.04 was the cause of his injury upon contact with the barriers. We were told the cockpits were basically bullet proof from the outside, but what if a foreign object is already inside?
F1 cars are also fitted with a dashboard light system activated during a crash, linked to the telemetry I believe, which indicates to the first Marshals on scene whether it's safe for the driver to get himself out, or if a specialist extrication team should be called - I should think this could also be linked to the teams/race contol (if anyone else could confirm?)
If the driver was complaining of back/leg pain and/or the telemetry indicated a serious impact then it would be appropriate to extricate him using the standard procedures.
I think this could have been done under the safety car but it would have taken longer than the remaining laps so the result would have been as it stood when the SC was deployed (subject to unforeseen issues).
At least by stopping the race and restarting, it gave a chance for the remainder of the race to take place. For me the problem is with the regs that allow significant works and tyre changes to take place during a red flag, that's what is likely to have changed the result.
I think this could have been done under the safety car but it would have taken longer than the remaining laps so the result would have been as it stood when the SC was deployed (subject to unforeseen issues).
At least by stopping the race and restarting, it gave a chance for the remainder of the race to take place. For me the problem is with the regs that allow significant works and tyre changes to take place during a red flag, that's what is likely to have changed the result.
You can't judge Whiting on just one race. How many other red flags have we had in the last few years? (edit: very few is my point here)
Just to put it in perspective, I recall in the 80s-90s (and maybe earlier but I'm not that age) we used to get red flags after first corner demolition derbs a few times every season. Around the late 90s or so they took to keeping the safety car out which also meant drivers couldn't jump into the T car. The last red flag race start that I can recall was Spa 98.
Just to put it in perspective, I recall in the 80s-90s (and maybe earlier but I'm not that age) we used to get red flags after first corner demolition derbs a few times every season. Around the late 90s or so they took to keeping the safety car out which also meant drivers couldn't jump into the T car. The last red flag race start that I can recall was Spa 98.
Edited by zac510 on Monday 30th May 21:19
Too risk averse? If anything F1 us getting complacent. 17 years since a fatality. In the 60s it was 1 in 3 drivers IIRC that died. We've been very lucky (and only luck) that we haven't seen fatalities in the last few years. Kubica at Canada, Perez this weekend leap to mind.
At any other track, would probably have been double waved yellows, depending on where, but we have no desire to risk the lives of track side ambulance crews as well as the driver?
Small price to pay for a red flag for a car in an enclosed racing space to be recovered when he can't climb out himself.
As for him being penalised; not sure; racing incident was my take but I haven't re-watched all of the footage.
At any other track, would probably have been double waved yellows, depending on where, but we have no desire to risk the lives of track side ambulance crews as well as the driver?
Small price to pay for a red flag for a car in an enclosed racing space to be recovered when he can't climb out himself.
As for him being penalised; not sure; racing incident was my take but I haven't re-watched all of the footage.
Chrisgr31 said:
Chris Sideways said:
Remind me what engine the RedBull uses 
That thought had occurred to me as well! Although in reality thw monitoring of radio transmssions would mean no way of arranging it.
[quote=zaphod42]Too risk averse? If anything F1 us getting complacent. 17 years since a fatality. In the 60s it was 1 in 3 drivers IIRC that died. We've been very lucky (and only luck) that we haven't seen fatalities in the last few years. Kubica at Canada, Perez this weekend leap to mind.
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It's never been anything like that sort of ratio. 12 drivers died in racing in the sixties.
I think that figure of 1 in 3 has something to do with a quote from JYS, but I cannot remember the context.
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It's never been anything like that sort of ratio. 12 drivers died in racing in the sixties.
I think that figure of 1 in 3 has something to do with a quote from JYS, but I cannot remember the context.
of course there's no reports of any injury at all from the team nor hospital.
That wasn't a high speed impact. I'm sure he was a bit sore. But that's it.
Whiting however can only react to what his medical team tell him and there was ALOT of debris on track.
I think if there wasn't the debris, then they would of run behind the safety car.
That wasn't a high speed impact. I'm sure he was a bit sore. But that's it.
Whiting however can only react to what his medical team tell him and there was ALOT of debris on track.
I think if there wasn't the debris, then they would of run behind the safety car.
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