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Did anyone actually overtake in the second DRS zone anyway?
At the end of the day the run from the hairpin to the final chicane was always a good overtaking area, even before DRS, the DRS just made it more likely you'd be able to make it stick before getting into the game of chicken of who brakes latest...
It might work better on a different circuit, and maybe they'll tweak the arrangements again. It was stated all along that they'd fiddle with the use of it through the year to try and it 'right' - whatever that might be!
At the end of the day the run from the hairpin to the final chicane was always a good overtaking area, even before DRS, the DRS just made it more likely you'd be able to make it stick before getting into the game of chicken of who brakes latest...
It might work better on a different circuit, and maybe they'll tweak the arrangements again. It was stated all along that they'd fiddle with the use of it through the year to try and it 'right' - whatever that might be!
llewop said:
Did anyone actually overtake in the second DRS zone anyway?
At the end of the day the run from the hairpin to the final chicane was always a good overtaking area, even before DRS, the DRS just made it more likely you'd be able to make it stick before getting into the game of chicken of who brakes latest...
It might work better on a different circuit, and maybe they'll tweak the arrangements again. It was stated all along that they'd fiddle with the use of it through the year to try and it 'right' - whatever that might be!
Massa got Kobayashi on the line for 6th (?)At the end of the day the run from the hairpin to the final chicane was always a good overtaking area, even before DRS, the DRS just made it more likely you'd be able to make it stick before getting into the game of chicken of who brakes latest...
It might work better on a different circuit, and maybe they'll tweak the arrangements again. It was stated all along that they'd fiddle with the use of it through the year to try and it 'right' - whatever that might be!
Life Saab Itch said:
Poorly thought out. There should have been a reset just before the last chicane having a double advantage for the same driver was a pointless exercise.
This, as soon as someone was in the DRS zone behind you that was it, there was no battle or wheel-to-wheel scrapping to get past, it was just drive past, hit the drs on the next straight and disappear out of range. It was crap, DRS should only be there to help a car get alongside now it's so difficult to get a tow off modern cars, that's it, it's should not be so effective that you can just drive past an opponent before even reaching the corner.Absolutely disagree with the other contributors. It is entirely because of the DRS that we got the thrilling finish. And it was because Vettel was trying to break the 1 second drs zone that he made the mistake.
Certainly it was disappointing to see Schumi get passed so easily but I think he had other issues with his tyres but I think Webber had three goes before he made the pass work and there were plenty of other 'nearly' passes - di Resta/Heidfeld, Massa/Kobyashi to name a couple IIRC.
Certainly it was disappointing to see Schumi get passed so easily but I think he had other issues with his tyres but I think Webber had three goes before he made the pass work and there were plenty of other 'nearly' passes - di Resta/Heidfeld, Massa/Kobyashi to name a couple IIRC.
Edited by Mr_Thyroid on Saturday 18th June 11:59
Streps said:
Slightly too much.
Schumacher was absolutely mugged at the end of the race.
DRS is just there to stick a plaster on the overtaking problem...
The cars should be able to overtake without it.
i agree im not a huge fan of his but it would have been nice to see him on the podium Schumacher was absolutely mugged at the end of the race.
DRS is just there to stick a plaster on the overtaking problem...
The cars should be able to overtake without it.
The prolem with the DRS zones is they're putting them in spots where overtaking is already proven so you just end up with people driving clean past them not even half way down the straight unlike before where at least you had to have some skill by maintaining the gap to get a slipstream and then into the breaking zone.
The second drs zone was just silly as it was just another advantage for the car that had already passed.
The second drs zone was just silly as it was just another advantage for the car that had already passed.
I'm hoping that it livens up Valencia though. this has been one of the most dull races of the last three years.
In theory, with its long straights and slow corners it should be a good race track, but there is only really one line, and the sequences before the main straight tend to split the cars up too much.
In Canada and Turkey it looked too easy. In Barcelona and Malaysia it seemed about right. I'm interested to see how circuits such as Silverstone and Hungary, where overtaking has been very tough, change with DRS
In theory, with its long straights and slow corners it should be a good race track, but there is only really one line, and the sequences before the main straight tend to split the cars up too much.
In Canada and Turkey it looked too easy. In Barcelona and Malaysia it seemed about right. I'm interested to see how circuits such as Silverstone and Hungary, where overtaking has been very tough, change with DRS
MitchT said:
I agree - it's artificial. Someone who's credibly in front can end up finishing behind because of an aerodynamic gimmick. That's not racing.
Devils advocat: If the 'fast driver' in front is passed by a 'slow driver' due to DRS then surely the 'slow driver' won't be able to pull away over the course of the lap and the 'good driver' will be able to re-take the position. He should then pull away over the lap, and it he doesn't then he may well trade the place back again as the speeds are so even. Is that necessarily a bad thing that they may trade places over consecutive laps?(The above is on the assumption that there's no 2nd deployment possible after a pass is made, because that's just too advantageous IMO.)
mrmr96 said:
Devils advocat: If the 'fast driver' in front is passed by a 'slow driver' due to DRS then surely the 'slow driver' won't be able to pull away over the course of the lap and the 'good driver' will be able to re-take the position. He should then pull away over the lap, and it he doesn't then he may well trade the place back again as the speeds are so even. Is that necessarily a bad thing that they may trade places over consecutive laps?
(The above is on the assumption that there's no 2nd deployment possible after a pass is made, because that's just too advantageous IMO.)
I didn't agree that they needed the 2nd zone, but they are still learning so you have to give them a little credit for experimenting. However, I agree entirely with mrmr96 and how he sees DRS as an advantage or not. It is ONLOY and advantage if you are fast enough to catch the car in front and get within the 1 second margin. It does not give the advantage to a slower driver as, as he says, they would not get to that 1 second zone. I like it. It certainly stops the queue of traffic behind a slower car who would have been passed in days gone by due to slipstreaming, but that seems to be a dying ability. (The above is on the assumption that there's no 2nd deployment possible after a pass is made, because that's just too advantageous IMO.)
I'd like to see the effect of having two (or more) completely separate DRS zones, but I don't like the double effect we had in Canada.
As stated, DRS was intended to help cars get alongside (arguably, the more of this the better) and not to then help them make it stick by pulling away.
Silversone could be a good circuit for such an experiment...
As stated, DRS was intended to help cars get alongside (arguably, the more of this the better) and not to then help them make it stick by pulling away.
Silversone could be a good circuit for such an experiment...
groomi said:
I'd like to see the effect of having two (or more) completely separate DRS zones, but I don't like the double effect we had in Canada.
As stated, DRS was intended to help cars get alongside (arguably, the more of this the better) and not to then help them make it stick by pulling away.
Silversone could be a good circuit for such an experiment...
On completely different parts of the circuit? Yeah, could be good. As stated, DRS was intended to help cars get alongside (arguably, the more of this the better) and not to then help them make it stick by pulling away.
Silversone could be a good circuit for such an experiment...
MitchT said:
Streps said:
DRS is just there to stick a plaster on the overtaking problem...
The cars should be able to overtake without it.
I agree - it's artificial. Someone who's credibly in front can end up finishing behind because of an aerodynamic gimmick. That's not racing.The cars should be able to overtake without it.
either ban it or allow it's use at any time/point the driver wants it (as per qualifying).
Same for Kers, take the artificial limit's off it, if they can develop one that gives 1000hp, let them.
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