Stealer v Factor
Discussion
mmm-five said:
Original manufacturer does not necessarily equal original quality.
Some licences specifically prohibit the part manufacturer from selling the same product in parallel to supplying the dealerships.
Interesting point. Would be informative to know the difference between a Luk DMF and a BMW/Luk DMF....Some licences specifically prohibit the part manufacturer from selling the same product in parallel to supplying the dealerships.
Some factors do sell genuine items at half the price of the stealers, so you may find what you need at GSF/ECP or maybe bmminiparts.
The problem is that you may never get a straight answer from anyone - and there may not be any difference between the two items, although you also have to be wary of counterfeit parts too! As long as you buy from somewhere reputable, you'll got a good chance of sorting it out should something go wrong.
The motor factors will assure you it's 'as good as' the original, but unless it says 'genuine' then you can't guarantee anything.
The dealer will tell you that the only way to guarantee an original & genuine part is to buy from them.
The part manufacturer probably won't tell you anything.
The problem is that you may never get a straight answer from anyone - and there may not be any difference between the two items, although you also have to be wary of counterfeit parts too! As long as you buy from somewhere reputable, you'll got a good chance of sorting it out should something go wrong.
The motor factors will assure you it's 'as good as' the original, but unless it says 'genuine' then you can't guarantee anything.
The dealer will tell you that the only way to guarantee an original & genuine part is to buy from them.
The part manufacturer probably won't tell you anything.
Edited by mmm-five on Friday 3rd June 15:32
mmm-five said:
Some factors do sell genuine items at half the price of the stealers, so you may find what you need at GSF/ECP or maybe bmminiparts.
The problem is that you may never get a straight answer from anyone - and there may not be any difference between the two items, although you also have to be wary of counterfeit parts too! As long as you buy from somewhere reputable, you'll got a good chance of sorting it out should something go wrong.
The motor factors will assure you it's 'as good as' the original, but unless it says 'genuine' then you can't guarantee anything.
The dealer will tell you that the only way to guarantee an original & genuine part is to buy from them.
The part manufacturer probably won't tell you anything.
Fair points raised. The work is being done by my local indie. He is ex-dealer 'M' tech trained, runs an M5 himself and races an E36 M3, so I have faith that he knows what to get. The local factor is well known, so reputable.The problem is that you may never get a straight answer from anyone - and there may not be any difference between the two items, although you also have to be wary of counterfeit parts too! As long as you buy from somewhere reputable, you'll got a good chance of sorting it out should something go wrong.
The motor factors will assure you it's 'as good as' the original, but unless it says 'genuine' then you can't guarantee anything.
The dealer will tell you that the only way to guarantee an original & genuine part is to buy from them.
The part manufacturer probably won't tell you anything.
Edited by mmm-five on Friday 3rd June 15:32
tip from the factor side, if you buy a luk clutch, it shouldn't have a luk sticker on any part of the clutch 
, new luk are stamped up into clutch, luk with stickers on the clutch part are reconditioned and are imported from europe, luk uk will not sell a recon clutch, so just make sure when your pricing up its a new original one..
, new luk are stamped up into clutch, luk with stickers on the clutch part are reconditioned and are imported from europe, luk uk will not sell a recon clutch, so just make sure when your pricing up its a new original one..I have a used but seriously mint genuine BMW LUK Flywheel. It's done 60,000 miles but hasn't worn at all! The original milling grooves are still visible......If you're interested?
Otherwise, you can get a brand new LUK flywheel for £250 from the below people.
http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/clutch-parts-final.php...
Otherwise, you can get a brand new LUK flywheel for £250 from the below people.
http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/clutch-parts-final.php...
I researched this back in march when my E61 M5 clutch went south. LUK make both the BMW item and the LUK alternative. According to the LUK head-shed there is no difference between the two items in either quality or spec. The only difference is the BMW item leaves the factory with a BMW part number stamped into it and is packaged in a BMW box. The LUK item leaves the factory with an LUK part number stamped into it and is in an LUK box, oh and has a 50% price drop over the BMW one.
However if you need to keep your warranty intact I'd always buy BMW. If not, you don't need to be a scientist to choose.
Eddie
However if you need to keep your warranty intact I'd always buy BMW. If not, you don't need to be a scientist to choose.
Eddie
Some useful points in this thread, I will go Luk too when my clutch gives up the ghost.
Marto said:
The work is being done by my local indie. He is ex-dealer 'M' tech trained, runs an M5 himself and races an E36 M3, so I have faith that he knows what to get.
Your local Indie, sounds like my local Indie Pat172 said:
With regards keeping the warranty, im very sure am item like the LUK Clutch would carry a block exception. Meaning that it cannot be used as an excuse for not covering warranty.
Like you said its the same part, simply has a LUK part number inplace of the BMW one
The warranty booklet doesn't specifically mention 'maintenance' rather than 'service', so don't know if there's also an exclusion for parts fitted DIY or at an indy. Maybe they're using 'service' as a catch all?Like you said its the same part, simply has a LUK part number inplace of the BMW one
BMW Insured Warranty Booklet said:
1. When servicing your BMW, failure to comply with the service schedule recommended by BMW may invalidate this warranty. All service and warranty work must be carried out by an Authorised BMW Dealer or BMW Service Authorised Workshop using only Genuine BMW Parts. Your BMW Service Booklet should be stamped, dated and detailed with the correct mileage at the time of service by the servicing dealer.
So if it doesn't have the BMW code/stamp in it, it will not be classed as a 'Genuine BMW Part'.Won't matter for things that aren't covered anyway, such as clutch & brake friction surfaces - which the flywheel is not part of.
mmm-five said:
So if it doesn't have the BMW code/stamp in it, it will not be classed as a 'Genuine BMW Part'.
Won't matter for things that aren't covered anyway, such as clutch & brake friction surfaces - which the flywheel is not part of.
Unless of course you have a part failure like mine had in March (clutch release bearing) in which case you'll be looking for a warranty resolution.Won't matter for things that aren't covered anyway, such as clutch & brake friction surfaces - which the flywheel is not part of.
ecain63 said:
Unless of course you have a part failure like mine had in March (clutch release bearing) in which case you'll be looking for a warranty resolution.
Of course, and this can be a deciding factor aroudn whether you buy a BMW warranty or an aftermarket one, as aftermarket ones might not cover parts damaged by the failed part - i.e. they would cover the cost of a failed VANOS, but not of the whole engine if it went kaboom.Pat172 said:
Hi guys,
Is this the one?
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/BMW_5+Series_M5_...
Genunie LUK one and instock with 15% off - They have a promotion on Clutches, DMF and CSC - use promo code CLUTCH15 if you want it!
Pat
Did no one hear me? Is this the one?
http://www.eurocarparts.com/ecp/c/BMW_5+Series_M5_...
Genunie LUK one and instock with 15% off - They have a promotion on Clutches, DMF and CSC - use promo code CLUTCH15 if you want it!
Pat
This place is a BARGAIN for genuine LUK clutches and Flywheels......MUCH cheaper than Euros....
http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/clutch-parts-final.php...
You try and do people a favour.............
And no, I don't have any commercial interest in them. Just trying to save my ///M brothers some money.
I'm a nice bloke.
Interesting.
I did a lot of research when I was looking to purchase a z3m Coupe years ago and in particular Vanos.
Now, the Vanos was generally manufactured by two companies - Roll's Royce or Sachs.
BMW seemed to have replaced the vanos using units from both companies under warranty across a few cars I researched.
I am lead to believe that one part was BMW the approved and the other was stamped as something else.
Can anyone confirm.
The reason this relevant is that it might stand up as some rationale if they had an issue with a LUK clutch as opposed to a heavily marked up BMW LUK clutch.
I did a lot of research when I was looking to purchase a z3m Coupe years ago and in particular Vanos.
Now, the Vanos was generally manufactured by two companies - Roll's Royce or Sachs.
BMW seemed to have replaced the vanos using units from both companies under warranty across a few cars I researched.
I am lead to believe that one part was BMW the approved and the other was stamped as something else.
Can anyone confirm.
The reason this relevant is that it might stand up as some rationale if they had an issue with a LUK clutch as opposed to a heavily marked up BMW LUK clutch.
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