Small air-conditioning unit for wine storage room.
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Hi Guys
I have a pine wood lined area 2 metres high and long, and 1 metre wide that had previously been used as a Sauna. I wish to use this to store wine, but the average temperature is around 20 celcius, I really need about 10-12 celcius.
No drainage facility, but I do have power from the coal stove that had previously been fitted (30 amps).
I'd be grateful for suggestions.
I have a pine wood lined area 2 metres high and long, and 1 metre wide that had previously been used as a Sauna. I wish to use this to store wine, but the average temperature is around 20 celcius, I really need about 10-12 celcius.
No drainage facility, but I do have power from the coal stove that had previously been fitted (30 amps).
I'd be grateful for suggestions.
Recently i have built a wine room in a property which was around 2 x 6m and used allot of the Euro Cave storage options and also
there Cellar conditioner which is a great bit of kit.
Its condenses is own vapour so no need for line away, a couple of mounting options and 2 bits of 200mm duct and your sorted.
Its not the chepaest at around 2k, however seems to be doing a top job and gives the client the control they require for there small.......collection.
there Cellar conditioner which is a great bit of kit.
Its condenses is own vapour so no need for line away, a couple of mounting options and 2 bits of 200mm duct and your sorted.
Its not the chepaest at around 2k, however seems to be doing a top job and gives the client the control they require for there small.......collection.
I think whatever you do there will be a condensate problem.
If you need to get rid of heat from one place you have to dump it elsewhere, hence the "cool room" will have to be connected to the outside for heat disposal via refrigerant pipes if you use a heat pump of any sort. An old fridge could be used if you fancy some DIY.
You could use the Peltier effect (heat pump with no moving parts) but they are expensive to run and still need a place to dump the heat.
If you need to get rid of heat from one place you have to dump it elsewhere, hence the "cool room" will have to be connected to the outside for heat disposal via refrigerant pipes if you use a heat pump of any sort. An old fridge could be used if you fancy some DIY.
You could use the Peltier effect (heat pump with no moving parts) but they are expensive to run and still need a place to dump the heat.
Simpo Two said:
caziques said:
You could use the Peltier effect (heat pump with no moving parts) but they are expensive to run and still need a place to dump the heat.
Is that the same as runs cheap (piezo) coolboxes?For fridges, coolrooms etc a heat pump is the way to go as they are far cheaper to run. I see that most family fridges these days use less than 1kW hr a day.
Mermaid said:
Hi Guys
I have a pine wood lined area 2 metres high and long, and 1 metre wide that had previously been used as a Sauna. I wish to use this to store wine, but the average temperature is around 20 celcius, I really need about 10-12 celcius.
No drainage facility, but I do have power from the coal stove that had previously been fitted (30 amps).
I'd be grateful for suggestions.
A normal air conditioning unit will not get you down to 10 degrees, most commercial ones nowadays cool to a min of 18 or 19.I have a pine wood lined area 2 metres high and long, and 1 metre wide that had previously been used as a Sauna. I wish to use this to store wine, but the average temperature is around 20 celcius, I really need about 10-12 celcius.
No drainage facility, but I do have power from the coal stove that had previously been fitted (30 amps).
I'd be grateful for suggestions.
You really need a proper wine/cellar cooler system.
Drainage is not an issue, a small pump could be installed to remove it, you will also need an external area for a condensing unit and pipes and cables between the indoor (evaporater) unit and condesing unit.
Try and contact a local refrigeration company, they might have some second hand kit you could use. It would need to be installed by a proffesional.
Either that or fit a large double door wine frige in the space, it will need a reasonable amount of air circulation.
OP Where in the country are you? If you're around Manchester we could install a proper cellar cooling system for around £1500ish (not in office today but can double check that price on Monday).
You would need, as previously mentioned, a space for the condensing unit and a route for pipework to get there. Condensate would be pumped out using a tank pump of some description so you don't need drainage in the cellar.
Could operate anywhere between 5-15c as long as it's sized correctly.
Rick.
You would need, as previously mentioned, a space for the condensing unit and a route for pipework to get there. Condensate would be pumped out using a tank pump of some description so you don't need drainage in the cellar.
Could operate anywhere between 5-15c as long as it's sized correctly.
Rick.
Guys, have a look at the below link.
This is a one unit system which does not need a external condenser, or any pipe work apart from 2 ducts
It basically bolts onto the wall, RF stat and your away, the condense line is also recycled in the unit a evaporated as part of the operation.
http://www.eurocave.com/Cellar-conditioners/Inoa-2...
This is a one unit system which does not need a external condenser, or any pipe work apart from 2 ducts
It basically bolts onto the wall, RF stat and your away, the condense line is also recycled in the unit a evaporated as part of the operation.
http://www.eurocave.com/Cellar-conditioners/Inoa-2...
dafydd2008 said:
Guys, have a look at the below link.
This is a one unit system which does not need a external condenser, or any pipe work apart from 2 ducts
It basically bolts onto the wall, RF stat and your away, the condense line is also recycled in the unit a evaporated as part of the operation.
http://www.eurocave.com/Cellar-conditioners/Inoa-2...
Do your ducts go to outside?This is a one unit system which does not need a external condenser, or any pipe work apart from 2 ducts
It basically bolts onto the wall, RF stat and your away, the condense line is also recycled in the unit a evaporated as part of the operation.
http://www.eurocave.com/Cellar-conditioners/Inoa-2...
How long are they and whats the max length they can be?
Do you have a filter in the air inlet to the condenser?
JM said:
Do your ducts go to outside?
How long are they and whats the max length they can be?
Do you have a filter in the air inlet to the condenser?
I have actually got the ducts exiting the wine room into a very large garage and this was surveyed prior by Euro Cave who confirmed this is ok.How long are they and whats the max length they can be?
Do you have a filter in the air inlet to the condenser?
I think the maximum length was around 5m with 3 90o bends, however you would need to check this.
From memory there are internal filters, however again, you would need to check this.
Or something like this?
http://www.icoste.com/381_Fridges/Whirlpool-ARC215...
Not a hideous price if you shop around.
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