Westfield on Q-Plates, registered as Ford??
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Westfield-SE-wide-body-Ford-...
how is it possible that a Westfield with q-plates is registered as Ford in the V5c?
DVLA Mistake?
how is it possible that a Westfield with q-plates is registered as Ford in the V5c?
DVLA Mistake?
DVLA error I would suggest, I was talking to my MOT man the other day and he had a Granada based Cobra in the other day registered on a Q but described as a Ford Cobra on the V5.
He checked with VOSA and it is OK apparently.
It depends on what the chassis number says, this rep had a new number issued along with the Q plate.
He checked with VOSA and it is OK apparently.
It depends on what the chassis number says, this rep had a new number issued along with the Q plate.
I'd suggest the best thing to do with selling any car like like this is THE VENDOR to be in possesion of a DVLA letter saying it is OK and a letter from his insurace company saying the same. Might be a mistake, but id put money its not. The car could be confiscated or left uninsured in the case of a claim. Way too risky for me, but could be perfectly legit, I hope the vendor provides proof.
Furyblade_Lee said:
I'd suggest the best thing to do with selling any car like like this is THE VENDOR to be in possesion of a DVLA letter saying it is OK and a letter from his insurace company saying the same.
In what way do the vendor's insurance arrangements affect a purchaser? I know Insurance Companies are bound to continue offering Buildings Insurance but surely this isn't the case with cars?Because if you are trying to claim £10,000 for a stolen / missing Westfield and all you have is a logbook stating "Ford" you could be up to your knees in s
t. In your own interests you should be clean and honest with your kit car insurer, giving photographs of the car and photocopy of your logbook, and a letter back from them stating they are 100% happy so that there are no arguments in the event of a claim. Bottom line is IT IS NOT a Ford. if you were to, say, rear end a £100K Bentley and they refuse cover youcould be up to neck in said st.
My car is registered legit, so its not an issue I have to deal with.
t. In your own interests you should be clean and honest with your kit car insurer, giving photographs of the car and photocopy of your logbook, and a letter back from them stating they are 100% happy so that there are no arguments in the event of a claim. Bottom line is IT IS NOT a Ford. if you were to, say, rear end a £100K Bentley and they refuse cover youcould be up to neck in said st.My car is registered legit, so its not an issue I have to deal with.
It is similar for ranks of Duttons which have been re-chassied and rebodied.... Without paperwork from the DVLA / inspectorate / engineers report i'd be VERY wary of any claims assesor who knows his onions with kitcars checking over my 400kg carbonfibre / bike engined 7'esque with Dutton on the logbook. At the very least i'd like to be in possesion of paperwork from the DVLA being happy that it is not original and had major parts upgraded / changed over the years , like the rusty old chassis being replaced with a more modern, SAFER one (?), and that the technical description of it still being a Dutton is fine with them. They are not stupid anymore, and the Police will confiscate them.
Just had another look at the listing and noted a couple of interesting points:
Firstly, the listing has been ended by the seller as the item is no longer available. Guess it's been sold by a means other than eBay.
Secondly, I noticed that the date of first registration was July 1990. Given the way things were back then, it would be a lot less surprising to find a kit car incorrectly registered. It was quite common then for kits to retain the donor's identity on the V5, although they would also usually use the donor reg. (Maybe the builder had lost the Fiesta's V5 so had to get a Q instead?) The DVLA often didn't know what was the correct thing to do - at least some things don't change.
Yes, there was an amnesty (late 90's?) that allowed errors like this to be corrected, but if the owner wasn't paying attention it could easily have passed them by. The Westfield itself - with clamshell wings - does look to be of the correct vintage for 1990, but that won't help a new owner if they go to tax the car and get refused because it's not a Fiesta.
Firstly, the listing has been ended by the seller as the item is no longer available. Guess it's been sold by a means other than eBay.
Secondly, I noticed that the date of first registration was July 1990. Given the way things were back then, it would be a lot less surprising to find a kit car incorrectly registered. It was quite common then for kits to retain the donor's identity on the V5, although they would also usually use the donor reg. (Maybe the builder had lost the Fiesta's V5 so had to get a Q instead?) The DVLA often didn't know what was the correct thing to do - at least some things don't change.
Yes, there was an amnesty (late 90's?) that allowed errors like this to be corrected, but if the owner wasn't paying attention it could easily have passed them by. The Westfield itself - with clamshell wings - does look to be of the correct vintage for 1990, but that won't help a new owner if they go to tax the car and get refused because it's not a Fiesta.
Furyblade_Lee said:
Fai comment about lax logbooks in the 80's / 90's. But i'd want to be sure before I bought a car like that.
Absolutely agree - I would be VERY wary of buying an incorrectly registered car. Just because it might be that way due to some genuine mistakes by the current owner doesn't mean it will be any different when the incorrect i.d. is discovered.@Comadis; Yes, it's at least as likely that the seller has been made aware of the registration issue and has ended the auction as a result - I was being kind!
Furyblade_Lee said:
I'd suggest the best thing to do with selling any car like like this is THE VENDOR to be in possesion of a DVLA letter saying it is OK and a letter from his insurace company saying the same. Might be a mistake, but id put money its not. The car could be confiscated or left uninsured in the case of a claim. Way too risky for me, but could be perfectly legit, I hope the vendor provides proof.
I entirely agree with this contribution.My experience over a very long time with Kit Cars is that if the registration looks wrong it invariably is.
May be a mistake by the DVLA who are not prefect but I too would doubt the authenticity.
what would happen if you buy such a car, incl. a written purchase statement, plus some history which shows that the former owner was in possesion of the car since years...afterwards you struggle to get the car insured or you have any other problems to get it registered in your name, could you blame/claim the former owner for it?
I doubt you would get very far - most likely it would be a case of buyer beware. You'd basically need an IVA and re-registration to make the car legal.
Hence our collective resistance to buying a car like this. I think it's a shame in this particular case because it looked like a half-way decent buy. Then again, I'm just judging that from a few pictures!
Hence our collective resistance to buying a car like this. I think it's a shame in this particular case because it looked like a half-way decent buy. Then again, I'm just judging that from a few pictures!
The principal of Caveat Emptor applies to almost every PRIVATE sale.
And I suspect the buyer will maintain it IS a Private Sale and very probably AS SEEN.
In which case you have no hope.
If this was purchased from a Trader you could have a case.
However actually getting retribution or a successful action through the Courts could take years and so often you win the judgement only to find the seller has disappeared or done a bunk or has no money.
As I know to my cost over the years.
I constantly advise clients that pursuit through the Courts is the entertainment for the very rich or the very poor.
Far better to buy elsewhere.
And I suspect the buyer will maintain it IS a Private Sale and very probably AS SEEN.
In which case you have no hope.
If this was purchased from a Trader you could have a case.
However actually getting retribution or a successful action through the Courts could take years and so often you win the judgement only to find the seller has disappeared or done a bunk or has no money.
As I know to my cost over the years.
I constantly advise clients that pursuit through the Courts is the entertainment for the very rich or the very poor.
Far better to buy elsewhere.
There is an option that I think everyone has so far missed.
The westfield is an unregistered kit car and someone has stamped in the VIN from a previously written off/ stolen recovered/ etc. Fiesta.
I doubt there is any connection whatsoever between the V5 and the Westy as far as donor parts are concerned.
The westfield is an unregistered kit car and someone has stamped in the VIN from a previously written off/ stolen recovered/ etc. Fiesta.
I doubt there is any connection whatsoever between the V5 and the Westy as far as donor parts are concerned.
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