jaguar cornering prowess

[bamberwell]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5pFZ12iShc
sorry , just made me laugh..........does that make me bad??



sorry changed for right one

Edited by bamberwell on Sunday 5th June 19:53

Edited by bamberwell on Sunday 5th June 19:54

[Shaw Tarse]

Wrong link?
I think you will find the one you want in the YouTube thread

[Yiliterate]

I just loved the way the "Oh s**t" at the end is said more in resignation than exclamation...

[paranoid airbag]

well that must have been a suprise.

[RobM77]

I think that says more about the driver than the car way too much opposite lock and he braked!

[Caulkhead]

Notice the cones and the armco already flattened exactly where the jag hits it? Must've been a diesel spill or poor surface.

[Yiliterate]

Yiliterate said:

I just loved the way the "Oh s**t" at the end is said more in resignation than exclamation...

Tsk, preferred the redneck on the motorbike...

[daemon]

Looks like someone had done it before him - the crash barrier was already smashed up

[Benbay001]

The road tightened mid bend, didnt it?

[aka_kerrly]

Caulkhead said:

Notice the cones and the armco already flattened exactly where the jag hits it? Must've been a diesel spill or poor surface.

NO chance at all, that is purely POOR driving, not understanding that braking/steering like that mid corner is not clever nor was the attempt at trying to catch the tail when it first wagged.

Probably one of the many owners of RWD cars who don't even know it' RWD

dave

[hornetrider]

daemon said:

Looks like someone had done it before him - the crash barrier was already smashed up

Indeed, bit unlucky to hit the same spot. Hey ho.

[ROOODBOY]

Reminds me of this old Autocar Magazine favourite;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc8uZGDAdQE

[RobM77]

aka_kerrly said:

Caulkhead said:

Notice the cones and the armco already flattened exactly where the jag hits it? Must've been a diesel spill or poor surface.

NO chance at all, that is purely POOR driving, not understanding that braking/steering like that mid corner is not clever nor was the attempt at trying to catch the tail when it first wagged.

Probably one of the many owners of RWD cars who don't even know it' RWD

dave

In fairness, the accident wasn't contributed to greatly by the fact the car was RWD - decelerating mid corner is a simple weight transfer issue and would affect all cars similarly, although granted, if the car is RWD (I couldn't make out whether it was a RWD model or not actually..), it will have slightly more mass at the back than a front driver (mainly the rear diff). To my eyes, the accident was caused by a vast over-reaction on the steering to a small and rather gentle onset into neutrality (i.e. the smallest of twitches was met with loads of opposite lock), exacerbated by sharp braking in the transitional phase between lat g one way and the other. The initial problem though was just loads of unecessary opposite lock - this guy needs to sort out his steering technique!

[monthefish]

RobM77 said:

if the car is RWD (I couldn't make out whether it was a RWD model or not actually..),

It's an early S-Type so yes, definitely RWD.

Nothing wrong with the cars handling - purely driver error.

[Caulkhead]

aka_kerrly said:

Caulkhead said:

Notice the cones and the armco already flattened exactly where the jag hits it? Must've been a diesel spill or poor surface.

NO chance at all, that is purely POOR driving, not understanding that braking/steering like that mid corner is not clever nor was the attempt at trying to catch the tail when it first wagged.

Probably one of the many owners of RWD cars who don't even know it' RWD

dave

Rubbish. It's nothing to do with being RWD as the initial tailwag is obviously caused by lifting off as the corner tightened, not by excess power and FWD cars are just as likely to suffer from sudden lift-off oversteer. As the jaguar driver is evidently not the first person to go off recently at exactly the same point, some blame must be attributed to road surface and/or design even though he over-reacted once into the slide.

[Herman Toothrot]

The right hand rear tyre appears to be smoking all the way from where the Jag enters the shot, still going in a straight line (well before the corner tightens), not braking etc.

Edited by Herman Toothrot on Monday 6th June 10:14

[RobM77]

monthefish said:

RobM77 said:

if the car is RWD (I couldn't make out whether it was a RWD model or not actually..),

It's an early S-Type so yes, definitely RWD.

Nothing wrong with the cars handling - purely driver error.

Thanks.

All he needed to do was steer where he wanted to go, so as the car became neutral, keep the wheel pointed in the direction of travel. If he'd done that, this wouldn't have even been memorable, just one of many steering inputs one often needs to make when driving that fast. This is why fixed input steering at quarter to three is such a good idea; you know exactly where the front wheels are pointing and your LH vertical input is balanced with the RH vertical input, making moments like this just disappear completely. The braking was purely his reaction to scaring himself, so wouldn't have happened if he'd sorted his steering out.

I didn't expect the car to roll that much though after the impact - hope he/she was ok! Looked nasty.

[monthefish]

ROOODBOY said:

Reminds me of this old Autocar Magazine favourite;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc8uZGDAdQE

It's a shame this is (probably) the most famous S-Type cornering video, as they are actually very good handling cars.

Apprently Pizzonia used his F1 car braking point going into the turn....

[monthefish]

Caulkhead said:

some blame must be attributed to road surface and/or design

Reminds me of the very first thing we were taught at the skid training day at Castle Coombe:

Tutor ask "what causes a skid"?

Various answers from the group....

"Ice?"
"Poor tyres?"
"excess speed?"
"Wet roads?"
"Leaves?"

Tutor replies. "Nope. Only 1 thing causes a skid. The driver."



In this instance, although another car appears to have gone off before the Jaguar, there are far many more cars that didn't crash on exactly the same bit of road.

[Caulkhead]

Herman Toothrot said:

The right hand rear tyre appears to be smoking all the way from where the Jag enters the shot, still going in a straight line (well before the corner tightens), not braking etc.

Edited by Herman Toothrot on Monday 6th June 10:14

The road is wet, it's spray.