How can you know it's really an S ?
How can you know it's really an S ?
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JnP

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340 posts

181 months

Monday 6th June 2011
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I've been wondering about that for quite some time.

I've seen adverts of people saying their car was a red rose and it looked exactly like an S.

And people saying they had an S, and it looked like a normal one.

How can you know for sure ?

Rich912

201 posts

240 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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My first Tuscan which was one of the early ones was a Red Rose and it had "Red Rose" written in black marker pen on the fuel rail. What further proof do you need!!

There were a few tell tail signs though, the gearbox was stamped with "tuscan S" on it, the plastic rings around the fuel injectors were a different colour indicating that they were bigger, it had the bigger brake upgrade, and the engine management system box was blue as opposed to black. However with the supply of parts ever changing at the TVR factory i would say none of these features on their own would confirm a Tuscan S or not.

Actually this post probably hasn't helped. I should probably stop drinking so much.

Rich

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

249 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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Very simple to tell a real Mk1 'S'.....the rear lights.


Standard Tuscan


Tuscan S

Unless it's got the rear lights as above.....it's NOT an 'S', no matter what anyone tries to tell you or whatever bits have been bolted on.

HTH smile


blueg33

45,287 posts

248 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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Its those rear lights that stopped me buying an S.


m3jappa

6,890 posts

242 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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Mines meant to be a red Rose but doesn't have the s gearbox or red Rose written anywhere. The only things I have seen are bigger brakes and a blue ecu.

I think the exhaust is meant to be bigger too.

Which colour Are normal injectors, I'll have a look at that when I get home.

blueg33

45,287 posts

248 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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Mine isnt an S or a Red Rose (I think), but has big brakes, and the boot is lined with S type carpet, I have hydratrack too.

PascalBuyens

2,868 posts

306 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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dvs_dave said:
Very simple to tell a real Mk1 'S'.....the rear lights.


Standard Tuscan
It did have a Red Rose upgrade at the time smile

nrick

1,866 posts

187 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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Mine is meant to be std but has 322mm discs, and blue ecu (now with decat chip).

m3jappa

6,890 posts

242 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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What determines hydratrak and s carpets?

nrick

1,866 posts

187 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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All true 'S' had a hydratrak, whereas the std cars had a more normal LSD. The cases I think are the same BTR's with different internals. The S has a different set of ratios as well. Sometimes you can be lucky and see it is marked, otherwise it is a case of jacking it up and counting the number of revolution of the driveshaft to the prop. Some Std cars have had cr boxes fitted, some hydratrak diffs have been changed for std as the cars are 10 years old.

Blueg33's car has the plush fit carpet as the interior, but mine has a lot lower quality finish (soon to be remedied). S's were better finished than the std's.

These cars are all different even from the factory and the only way you know what is fitted is to check, eg. I have seen 3 Mk1's in the last few weeks and they all have different door cards!


JnP

Original Poster:

340 posts

181 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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So basically its possible to have an S look-a-like and think its an S. There's no factory stamp that says this chassis number is an S or something like that ? Except maybe the original order

nrick

1,866 posts

187 months

Tuesday 7th June 2011
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No stamps and some very close specified 'S' copies, spotting a red rose is even more difficult. Another not fool proof method is the exhaust is bigger on the 's', but again how many are on std exhausts is anyones guess.

Given that some of these cars were rebuilt more than once a year in the bad days, I am not sure you can count on anything unless they are rolling road'd. There is some debate over which engines were best as there was a lot of variation in output from the factory. Some std engines were very good.

The only true method is checking the original order, it is a shame the factory wasn't around as it would have been great to check the specs.

PM if you want some more TVR information about the models.

B.J.W

5,868 posts

239 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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Interesting thread. I bought an 'S' from Racing Green (MK2). It has aircon, but no front 'S' splitter. After asking around I have been advised that the only 100% reliable way to tell if your car is an 'S' or not is to look at the rocker covers. 'S' spec cars apparently all came supplied with red rocker covers. Having said that, whilst mine has red rocker covers, it also has a new engine, so it could have been retro-fitted.

The conclusion I have drawn is that I may well rolling road the car at some point, but in the meantime I am simply going to enjoy driving it, because after 4 weeks of ownership the car is a hell of a lot faster and more capable than the person behind the wheel.

nrick

1,866 posts

187 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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BJW - The Mk2 should have winglets, as the splitter was only fitted to MK1's I think.

glow worm

7,091 posts

251 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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B.J.W said:
Interesting thread. I bought an 'S' from Racing Green (MK2). It has aircon, but no front 'S' splitter. After asking around I have been advised that the only 100% reliable way to tell if your car is an 'S' or not is to look at the rocker covers. 'S' spec cars apparently all came supplied with red rocker covers. Having said that, whilst mine has red rocker covers, it also has a new engine, so it could have been retro-fitted.

The conclusion I have drawn is that I may well rolling road the car at some point, but in the meantime I am simply going to enjoy driving it, because after 4 weeks of ownership the car is a hell of a lot faster and more capable than the person behind the wheel.
Many people get rocker covers painted red to make them look like 'S's, put 'S' badges on, put 'S' winglets on etc. I can only think of one reason.. and that is to deceive. The £10k difference on list purchase price may have something to do with it too whistle

Edited by glow worm on Wednesday 8th June 10:13

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

249 months

Thursday 9th June 2011
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Hello......has nobody bothered reading my previous post???????

Rear lights????? Not exactly a quick bolt on are they?????




glow worm

7,091 posts

251 months

Thursday 9th June 2011
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dvs_dave said:
Hello......has nobody bothered reading my previous post???????

Rear lights????? Not exactly a quick bolt on are they?????
Only applies to MK1's smile

ps... colour coded cam covers in the factory only started in the NS era 2004/5 ish IIRC.

Edited by glow worm on Thursday 9th June 05:55

spartridge

970 posts

234 months

Thursday 9th June 2011
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Yep, cam covers are not an accurate indicator unfortunately - my 2005 S did not have a painted cam cover and a few Sags are the same.

so called

9,157 posts

233 months

Thursday 9th June 2011
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Long live blue cam covers wink

dvs_dave

9,040 posts

249 months

Friday 10th June 2011
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glow worm said:
dvs_dave said:
Hello......has nobody bothered reading my previous post???????

Rear lights????? Not exactly a quick bolt on are they?????
Only applies to MK1's smile

ps... colour coded cam covers in the factory only started in the NS era 2004/5 ish IIRC.

Edited by glow worm on Thursday 9th June 05:55
Was the Mk2 ever available as a specific 'Tuscan S' model like the Mk1 was? I've a feeling that due to the differences between the two getting less over time the 'S' became an option package rather than a specific model?