When does 'ex local authority' property lose that status?
When does 'ex local authority' property lose that status?
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bigandclever

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14,413 posts

269 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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The missus has a privately owned flat. She bought it from a private owner, who in turn had bought it from a private owner, who in turn had bought it from the council. In fact the first private owner had actually bought their council flat under the right to buy malarkey.

So at what point, if ever, does the flat lose the moniker of 'ex local authority'?

If it makes any odds, the block the flat is in has a 50:50ish mix of private owners and council flats.

HowMuchLonger

3,041 posts

224 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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bigandclever said:
If it makes any odds, the block the flat is in has a 50:50ish mix of private owners and council flats.
When it reaches 100% private.

sparkypups

271 posts

236 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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I thought the answer was when the whole estate was bulldozed.

jdw1234

6,021 posts

246 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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You can use the phrase "purpose built" in the estate agent advert though!!


BoRED S2upid

21,111 posts

271 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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I would say it depends on what the rest of the area is like. About half a mile from my parents is ex council surrounded by some of the best properties in the town these are probably not viewed as ex council now. However my house is a new build and again within half a mile is a large council estate, the difference between the two is vast and it will take a long time for the council houses to be viewed as anything but ex council.

Manks

28,176 posts

253 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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bigandclever said:
The missus has a privately owned flat. She bought it from a private owner, who in turn had bought it from a private owner, who in turn had bought it from the council. In fact the first private owner had actually bought their council flat under the right to buy malarkey.

So at what point, if ever, does the flat lose the moniker of 'ex local authority'?

If it makes any odds, the block the flat is in has a 50:50ish mix of private owners and council flats.
It never loses that description, because it will always once have been a LA property. As such it is likely to be utilitarian by design and in general terms not have the cachet of a property built for private occupancy, even though it might be both more spacious and latterly better appointed.




ColinM50

2,699 posts

206 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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Manks said:
It never loses that description, because it will always once have been a LA property. As such it is likely to be utilitarian by design and in general terms not have the cachet of a property built for private occupancy, even though it might be both more spacious and latterly better appointed.
+1 it'll always be what it is, an ex-council house. You decide if that's good or bad

98elise

32,818 posts

192 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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Manks said:
bigandclever said:
The missus has a privately owned flat. She bought it from a private owner, who in turn had bought it from a private owner, who in turn had bought it from the council. In fact the first private owner had actually bought their council flat under the right to buy malarkey.

So at what point, if ever, does the flat lose the moniker of 'ex local authority'?

If it makes any odds, the block the flat is in has a 50:50ish mix of private owners and council flats.
It never loses that description, because it will always once have been a LA property. As such it is likely to be utilitarian by design and in general terms not have the cachet of a property built for private occupancy, even though it might be both more spacious and latterly better appointed.
Agreed, ex council houses tend to have a bland design, but any i've been in seem to be better built than private houses. Some are ok though, there is a council estate near us that was 50:50 from the outset, and it looks like a reasonable 1970's estate, with a mix of house styles, with decent open spaces etc.



Burgmeister

2,206 posts

241 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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It will never lose that status but most mortgage lenders these days are understanding about it. For example I work in valuations for that national building society and we are really fair with ex-LA flats.

For example we will only lend if the block has a lift and is no more than 6 storeys.

If it was private from the outset we have no restrictions.

Fair.

trevvy

92 posts

187 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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Never!

mattdaniels

7,362 posts

313 months

Wednesday 8th June 2011
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How many times does your ex wife have to remarry before she stops being your ex wife?

As others have said, it will always be an ex local authority house right up until it's bulldozed.

To me this means it is solidly built with proper walls and good sized rooms, not like these tiny modern wood and paper constructions you get nowadays.

Tanguero

4,535 posts

232 months

Thursday 9th June 2011
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mattdaniels said:
As others have said, it will always be an ex local authority house right up until it's bulldozed.
Or is owned by the LA again...

Shuvi Tupya

24,460 posts

278 months

Thursday 9th June 2011
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Not all ex-council places are bad.. I used to live in the downstairs of this house when it was council owned (and not looking quite so nice)


Road2Ruin

6,545 posts

247 months

Thursday 9th June 2011
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I bought an ex-loacl authority semi detatched a few years ago and it looked ex-local authority. We put on a conservatory, built an extension, planted a hedge, painted it and tidied it up. When we sold it a few years later the monikor was dropped and we made £200,000 on it.

None of that helps the Op though, sorry.

ExChrispy Porker

17,742 posts

259 months

Thursday 9th June 2011
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Shuvi Tupya said:
Not all ex-council places are bad.. I used to live in the downstairs of this house when it was council owned (and not looking quite so nice)

Quite
You would be amazed at some of the houses owned by Bath and NE Somerset.
Royal Crescent anyone?

Mr POD

5,153 posts

223 months

Thursday 9th June 2011
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http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=52.387341...

I hope that link works.

NEVER in this case

In 1989, we looked at an ex council house and the view here is the communal parking area. Right on the Edge of a country park, 200 yrds within the Birmingham city boundary with Worcesetershire.

About 2/3 rd the price of similar size houses the other side of the border that were not ex council.

Offer of £49K accepted.

It was only when the estate agent asked us who our mortgage would be with that they told us that Halifax and 'Whimpy No Fines' concrete houses did not go together.

So I had a discussion with my Uncle retired birmigham housing engineer. his words "Mark they are st, do not buy it"

Pity because such a nice road.

Manks

28,176 posts

253 months

Friday 10th June 2011
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Mr POD said:
http://maps.google.co.uk/?ie=UTF8&ll=52.387341...

I hope that link works.

NEVER in this case

In 1989, we looked at an ex council house and the view here is the communal parking area. Right on the Edge of a country park, 200 yrds within the Birmingham city boundary with Worcesetershire.

About 2/3 rd the price of similar size houses the other side of the border that were not ex council.

Offer of £49K accepted.

It was only when the estate agent asked us who our mortgage would be with that they told us that Halifax and 'Whimpy No Fines' concrete houses did not go together.

So I had a discussion with my Uncle retired birmigham housing engineer. his words "Mark they are st, do not buy it"

Pity because such a nice road.
I bought a similar property once in the dark (literally). I knew it was a "wrong un" but I paid very little for it and it was an unusual situation. Afterwards I found out that it was virtually unmortgageable so we couldn't retail it.

I sold it to an amateur property developer. His builder inspected it and I told him it was a non-standard construction and as such his customer should not spend much money on it and instead hold it in cash as a high yield investment. "Oh I know all about these", he said.

Some months later I found out that the developer had done the property up to a high standard and fully anticipated being able to remortgage the property and get his cash out, except he couldn't find a lender to entertain him. He sold it at auction some months later at a huge loss.

There are some nice ex council houses out there. Usually cheaply built but spacious and sometimes in very nice locations - good views and the like. In a strong market ex LA status doesn't matter much, but in conditions like those prevailing today it can make properties more difficult to shift unless the property is exceptional in terms of its location and architecture.



fido

18,922 posts

286 months

Tuesday 14th June 2011
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Pretty much concur with the previous posts - it depends on what aspect of being ex-LA bothers you. When it becomes all private, and the original tenants have sold up, then it doesn't really matter anymore IMHO. The second point i feel is important not just from a snobbery point-of-view (and i am a snob) but that the first private owners won't be the sort of upwardly mobile folk that you may want to live near to; at least that has been my experience.

benbob

14 posts

186 months

Saturday 18th June 2011
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Ex council is ex council and stays ex council.