Clutch pedal travel
Clutch pedal travel
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gtr-gaz

Original Poster:

5,281 posts

275 months

Monday 24th May 2004
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Bled the brakes and the clutch yesterday.

The clutch pedal needs a lot and I mean a lot of effort to depress it.
Is this normal? If it is I will need a year in the gym to be able to drive it!

Gary

ultiman

354 posts

291 months

Monday 24th May 2004
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Gary
I too found the clutch very heavy to start with but it loosened up considerably with use. lt is still heavy compared to a normal car but you get used to it. l took up marathon running to assist. When did you complete the car?

davefiddes

846 posts

289 months

Monday 24th May 2004
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It's quite heavy but like Nick says it does get easier with use (and not just because the leg muscles build up). I do a lot of cycling so it doesn't bother me too much though I do find I stick the car in neutral a lot quicker when running in traffic than with a "regular" car.

I discovered something not so great with my clutch at the weekend. I took the car to a dyno session organised by some guys from the PH Scotland section a week or two back. The dyno guy complained about my clutch dragging a bit on the slow down run (to estimate engine/gearbox losses). I've had a good look over the clutch and it looks like it is the way it is meant to be and the throws are correct, etc. However when I took the pedal to bits to check it I discovered that the bugger had pushed so hard on the pedal he's bend the connecting rod on the clutch master cylinder! Grrrr. I guess it's all my own fault for not making sure that at max pedal travel there wasn't a lot of clearance between the pedal and the bulkhead. Hey ho. I'm glad they're not expensive.

gtr-gaz

Original Poster:

5,281 posts

275 months

Monday 24th May 2004
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Thanks for the reassurance lads!
Guess I'll have to join the gym after all!

Nick, I haven't finished my car yet, but it won't be to long now!
Hope to fire the engine up over the bank holiday.
Can't wait!!
535 hp should sound pretty good methinks.

davefiddes

846 posts

289 months

Monday 24th May 2004
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gtr-gaz said:
535 hp should sound pretty good methinks.


Yep!

jschwartz

836 posts

287 months

Monday 24th May 2004
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Jack and I had a similar problem.
Check for clearance on the back of the pedal, to make sure the clevis is not binding when fully depressed. That'll cause the high pedal effort and the bending too. We had to make the slot in the back of the pedal longer.
Jeff S

davefiddes

846 posts

289 months

Tuesday 25th May 2004
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I'm an idiot!

I remember that you and/or Jack mentioned this problem ages ago and it never made it as far as my job list. Will check this properly when I fit the new cylinder.

Thanks for mentioning it again!

davefiddes

846 posts

289 months

Monday 7th June 2004
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Just a quick update. I took my whole clutch pedal assembly to pieces at the weekend in an effort to fix the problem. Once I'd had a look at the master cylinder the shaft didn't seem to be too badly bent so I decided to straighten it. I looked at the slot in the back of the clutch pedal and sure enough it had been fouling the clevis and that's why the master cylinder shaft got bent. Bit of careful filing soon made the hole a bit wider and about 5-6mm longer to be sure of clearing the clevis in normal operation.

When I reassembled everything I tried to set it up to have the maximum throw possible. I couldn't quite manage to get the full throw of the master cylinder with the pedal against the bulkhead. Decided to rebleed the system and try it anyway. With the engine running as I slowly pushed the pedal towards the floor...heard a nasty banging sound as the clutch/flywheel bolts started to touch the release fork! This was just as gdr described last year. I then adjusted the pedal to have about 4-5 mm less throw. Tried it again and this time no funny noises at all. As a final check I put the car in gear (on axles stands) and got someone to check that the wheels were not starting to turn. No clutch drag at all.

Took the car for a quick test drive and the change is dramatic. Clutch is much much lighter. I had a niggle with being unable to put the car into 1st when moving which has gone away (it's not something you do very often so I hadn't been worried about it). Changing gear is a little smoother than it used to be in general. I expect the clutch drag I saw on the dyno last month will now have gone away completely.

I think I must have bent the master cylinder shaft the first time I pushed the clutch pedal home when it was dry. It's very worth while double checking that the clutch pedal movement is as smooth and snag free as it ought to be. I think it would be possible to go to a 5/8" or 0.7" master cylinder to get a lighter pedal that can use the full throw.

GTRMikie

874 posts

277 months

Tuesday 8th June 2004
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I've just changed my clutch master cylinder to a 0.625" and it has transformed the car. The pedal is lighter and the car is much easier to drive in traffic. The increased pedal travel results in a much smoother take up of the drive.

gdr

589 posts

289 months

Tuesday 8th June 2004
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GTRMikie said:
I've just changed my clutch master cylinder to a 0.625" and it has transformed the car. The pedal is lighter and the car is much easier to drive in traffic. The increased pedal travel results in a much smoother take up of the drive.

Exactly my findings when I did same thing. Also, not possible to over extend the clutch fork into cover bolts with smaller master cyl.