Makiing a big house pay its way
Makiing a big house pay its way
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Cogcog

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11,838 posts

259 months

Sunday 12th June 2011
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I have looked at several houses recently which we have turned down as being too big for long term living in terms of heating and maintenance. They are often large semi rural country houses with lots of land and parking. Often they are only about 10% more costly than their more manageable competitors. We are buying with the outlaws so having enough space for us to avoid each other but still being on site for the necessary 'coffin sniffer care' is needed. It got me thinking of ways to get value from the house once the outlaws have sadly passed to help with the bills and provide an income at retirement.

To date I can think:

1) B&B (sounds like hard work and ties you to the house?)
2) Creating an annex or apartment(s) and then renting it out, with a bit of allocated garden ( but would you have to create a sepeate legal buliding for council tax, gas, leccy etc and how does seperatying the bils out cost in terms of meter installations etc?)
3) formally creating a seperate home from the one end and selling it on (cost of conversion but positive is you get to keep the good bits and lay down the covenants).
4) Offering some sort of commercial use such as small offices or even a small training venue.

Any more ideas?

bobr

1,031 posts

188 months

Sunday 12th June 2011
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Locally, there are a few people who organise wedding receptions in marquees on their land, and some provide a B&B service for their guests. Could also run corporate events in the same way

Cogcog

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259 months

Sunday 12th June 2011
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bobr said:
Locally, there are a few people who organise wedding receptions in marquees on their land, and some provide a B&B service for their guests. Could also run corporate events in the same way
I guess the one off summer event wouldn't be too intrusive either. I also thought about the specialist training companies who want a 'retreat' rather than a big hotel experience for small groups.

Milky Bar Kid

137 posts

199 months

Sunday 12th June 2011
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Depending upon where you are in the country, renting some of the land to the horsey folk can make a reasonable amount of money for no work on your part.

Cogcog

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Sunday 12th June 2011
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Milky Bar Kid said:
Depending upon where you are in the country, renting some of the land to the horsey folk can make a reasonable amount of money for no work on your part.
Most of the places I have looked at have the land behind the house meaning horsey folks would have to bring their noise, vehicles etc close to the house but I can see how an unwanted paddock with water could work, thanks.

Jasandjules

72,029 posts

253 months

Sunday 12th June 2011
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Kennels/Cattery in the grounds?

Cogcog

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11,838 posts

259 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Jasandjules said:
Kennels/Cattery in the grounds?
Too much work! I wanted something less 7 day, 52 week, less site instrusive, more occasional and something that could run with minimal input. There are som mofo lawns about so the 'event' thing could work.

itsnotarace

4,685 posts

233 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Milky Bar Kid said:
Depending upon where you are in the country, renting some of the land to the horsey folk can make a reasonable amount of money for no work on your part.
^^ This

Additonally, I know someone who has built a pool, spa, gym, tennis courts, sauna etc and employs staff to do beauty treatments and spa weekends, that sort of thing. They also turned over a load of land to pheasants and employed a gamekeeper to look after those and then runs weekend country shoots for Londoners.


Bill

57,516 posts

279 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Cogcog said:
Too much work! I wanted something less 7 day, 52 week, less site instrusive, more occasional and something that could run with minimal input. There are som mofo lawns about so the 'event' thing could work.
Sounds like the wedding idea is the way forward, afaik you don't need planning for change of use if it's 28 days or less a year.

Daisy Duke

1,510 posts

225 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Cogcog said:
B&B (sounds like hard work and ties you to the house?)

Any more ideas?
What about creating holiday lets? They are far less hassle than running a B&B and have the advantage that they can be used to avoid inheritance tax too. You don't even need to build anything as, if you have a suitable plot of land, erecting yurts seem to be all rage now. You could also tie it in with the wedding venue idea.



Simpo Two

91,576 posts

289 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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I see a business opportunity here: 'Daisy's Delicatessen'...




Partial to a mature Stilton if you have any... biggrin

Daisy Duke

1,510 posts

225 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Simpo Two said:
I see a business opportunity here: 'Daisy's Delicatessen'...




Partial to a mature Stilton if you have any... biggrin
I see you haven't got bored yet of taking the piss out of my hat. laugh

jdw1234

6,021 posts

239 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Playboy mansion

Beardy10

25,129 posts

199 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Bill said:
Cogcog said:
Too much work! I wanted something less 7 day, 52 week, less site instrusive, more occasional and something that could run with minimal input. There are som mofo lawns about so the 'event' thing could work.
Sounds like the wedding idea is the way forward, afaik you don't need planning for change of use if it's 28 days or less a year.
I'd have a good look at whether it really works in your area....I doubt you'll get much for just renting out the land, suspect you need to provide a package to make it work. We rented a huge house for our wedding instead of hiring a marquee as it was much cheaper than just hiring a marquee and then didn't need all the stuff you need to fill a marquee with to stop it feeling like a tent. I'd look at what the local competition is.

Tonsko

6,299 posts

239 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Daisy Duke said:
What about creating holiday lets? They are far less hassle than running a B&B and have the advantage that they can be used to avoid inheritance tax too. [/footnote]
This sounds interesting. How does it work?

Daisy Duke

1,510 posts

225 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Tonsko said:
Daisy Duke said:
What about creating holiday lets? They are far less hassle than running a B&B and have the advantage that they can be used to avoid inheritance tax too.
This sounds interesting. How does it work?
The part of the property that is used for holiday lets can be owned by a company that is in the name of the parents (or in laws in this case). As long as you comply with certain conditions, none of which seem too onerous if you intend to run it as a proper business anyway, this part of the property can then be passed on without incurring inheritance tax. This article outlines the rules that have to be complied with. http://www.articles.scopulus.co.uk/UK%20Furnished%...

IAN1967

318 posts

194 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Renting the house/land out for film work?

Know someone who did this last year and got paid for just the use of house/land for shooting, only took up a week and were only there during the day

Simpo Two

91,576 posts

289 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Daisy Duke said:
I see you haven't got bored yet of taking the piss out of my hat. laugh
I'll be dining out on that for years yet... though not literally you understand.



Well actually maybe I could - using the copious stocks of tasty picnic food within arm's reach. Plastic grapes on the brim, oh yes.

Jasandjules

72,029 posts

253 months

Monday 13th June 2011
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Bear in mind that you will need public liability insurance for a few of these things and of course you will need to inform your house insurance that you are running a business.. And not to mention that the council may want to take fees as well - I think if a certain percentage of the area of your house is used for business....

BoRED S2upid

20,993 posts

264 months

Tuesday 14th June 2011
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Car storage, do you have barns, outbuildings garages etc...? Lots of people have weekend toys they would pay to store in a nice dry safe location.