Stockholm cyclist proposal to run red lights et
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Not going well for the politicians so far.
Let cyclists run red lights
FFS!!!!! Even the cyclists are not that keen.
Does seem familiar somehow.
Let cyclists run red lights
FFS!!!!! Even the cyclists are not that keen.
article said:
Stockholm politicians are arguing that the city’s cyclists be allowed to run red lights and cycle against one-way traffic in order to avoid congestion and improve the situation for those who chose to travel by bicycle.
According to city councillor Per Ankersjö, responsible for the city environment, there are many who already are breaking the rules.
“As a cyclist you want to feel free and it is not as easy to go an extra two blocks as if you are in a car. There is a risk that people ignore the rules anyway, and then it is better to make it legal in an orderly fashion,” he said to daily Dagens Nyheter (DN).
In many other countries, traffic rules are less severe on cyclists than on those travelling by car. But in order to change the regulations in Sweden, there may be a need for new legislation. Stockholm City is now pursuing the question with the Swedish Transport Agency (Transportstyrelsen), according to DN.
But keen cyclist Anders Ygerman of the Social Democrats, chairman of the Riksdag’s committee on traffic, thinks that changing the legislation is not the right way to improve conditions for cyclists in the cities.
“Changing traffic regulations for cyclists doesn’t seem like a good solution to me. Instead I think that a lot could be done locally to prevent cyclists to run red lights by separating cycle paths from the street,” Ygerman said.
The government appointed a commission on cycling in September last year.
“There is currently a governmental review on traffic regulations from a cycling perspective going on and these questions will certainly be part of what is looked at,” said Niclas Nilsson of the Swedish Transport Agency to news agency TT.
According to DN, the number of cyclists in Stockholm is three times as high today as it was in the 1990’s. The highest increase has occurred in the last five years. Cycle paths are more cramped than ever and queues are frequently formed.
But according to prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt, road-users' safety must come first.
“Traffic safety must be the starting point. If large groups of road-users are allowed not to follow traffic regulations there is an increased risk, especially for cyclists who are less protected than drivers,” he said to TT, adding that the city environment usually is tough on cyclists.
Reading the comments posted one wonders how many PHers are on there? According to city councillor Per Ankersjö, responsible for the city environment, there are many who already are breaking the rules.
“As a cyclist you want to feel free and it is not as easy to go an extra two blocks as if you are in a car. There is a risk that people ignore the rules anyway, and then it is better to make it legal in an orderly fashion,” he said to daily Dagens Nyheter (DN).
In many other countries, traffic rules are less severe on cyclists than on those travelling by car. But in order to change the regulations in Sweden, there may be a need for new legislation. Stockholm City is now pursuing the question with the Swedish Transport Agency (Transportstyrelsen), according to DN.
But keen cyclist Anders Ygerman of the Social Democrats, chairman of the Riksdag’s committee on traffic, thinks that changing the legislation is not the right way to improve conditions for cyclists in the cities.
“Changing traffic regulations for cyclists doesn’t seem like a good solution to me. Instead I think that a lot could be done locally to prevent cyclists to run red lights by separating cycle paths from the street,” Ygerman said.
The government appointed a commission on cycling in September last year.
“There is currently a governmental review on traffic regulations from a cycling perspective going on and these questions will certainly be part of what is looked at,” said Niclas Nilsson of the Swedish Transport Agency to news agency TT.
According to DN, the number of cyclists in Stockholm is three times as high today as it was in the 1990’s. The highest increase has occurred in the last five years. Cycle paths are more cramped than ever and queues are frequently formed.
But according to prime minister Fredrik Reinfeldt, road-users' safety must come first.
“Traffic safety must be the starting point. If large groups of road-users are allowed not to follow traffic regulations there is an increased risk, especially for cyclists who are less protected than drivers,” he said to TT, adding that the city environment usually is tough on cyclists.
Does seem familiar somehow.
ChiChoAndy said:
roachcoach said:
How in the hell are bikes affected by congestion?
Because they have to abide by inconvenient highway code type laws such as red lights. ChiChoAndy said:
roachcoach said:
How in the hell are bikes affected by congestion?
Because they have to abide by inconvenient highway code type laws such as red lights. Don't forget they are also proposing wrong way down one ways and other stuff, ignoring banned left/right turns, as well as the red light malarkey.
As always it's the usual extreme idiots who spoil it for the sensible ones, eg wrong way round a blind corner, on the wrong side, at night, without lights and dressed all in black sums up my closest experience to collecting a new bonnet ornament last winter.
Organ donors.
As always it's the usual extreme idiots who spoil it for the sensible ones, eg wrong way round a blind corner, on the wrong side, at night, without lights and dressed all in black sums up my closest experience to collecting a new bonnet ornament last winter.
Organ donors.
ChiChoAndy said:
roachcoach said:
Red lights are not congestion - congestion is queuing traffic. As a biker, unless you have NO other choice, queuing with other cars is absolutely bonkers and downright dangerous.
So if queueing with cars at traffic lights is dangerous, what do you do?I'm talking about literally being mixed in with the traffic being dangerous. Nothing seems to turn people in retards quicker than having a bike in front of them.
Unless the street is unnaturally narrow or there are obstructions if cars are holding back bikes then, imo, the bikes are doing it wrong.
Edited by roachcoach on Tuesday 14th June 12:09
Edited by roachcoach on Tuesday 14th June 12:09
I ride like I am traffic, acknowledge and accomodate the fact I am slower but I am meant to be there in law and as such I have to abide with the regulations in place, I dont want special regulations just to use what is there and be treated with a little consideration, not asking for special
dispensation like some car hating bikists seem to want.
dispensation like some car hating bikists seem to want.
roachcoach said:
Go into the cycle reservoir at the front, where you're supposed to be. Then make off, in the bike lane, where you're meant to be.
I'm talking about literally being mixed in with the traffic being dangerous. Nothing seems to turn people in retards quicker than having a bike in front of them.
Unless the street is unnaturally narrow or there are obstructions if cars are holding back bikes then, imo, the bikes are doing it wrong.
Sorry, but what did that have to do with my original post?I'm talking about literally being mixed in with the traffic being dangerous. Nothing seems to turn people in retards quicker than having a bike in front of them.
Unless the street is unnaturally narrow or there are obstructions if cars are holding back bikes then, imo, the bikes are doing it wrong.
Edited by roachcoach on Tuesday 14th June 12:09
Edited by roachcoach on Tuesday 14th June 12:09
roachcoach said:
Obviously.
Now about my original question - how the hell are bikers affected by congestion?!
Well in alternative world where cycle lanes and 'reservoirs' don't always exist sometimes as a cyclist you have no option to wait. There are frequently times when I've ridden through London where it is not possible to get through or to do so you have to pull a series of questionable manoeuvres. E.g Buses blocking cycle lanes, taxi drivers pushing out of side roads, cars halfway through changing lanes or the road is just simply to narrow.Now about my original question - how the hell are bikers affected by congestion?!
I agree that cyclists should observe red lights and pedestrian crossings but if the environmentalists are serious about encouraging everyone to leave their cars at home i think road planning should allow cyclists to safely progress through queues and congestion. That way you may reduce the erratic manoeuvres cyclists often pull in attempt to maintain momentum or not sit inhaling exhaust fumes.
waterwonder said:
Well in alternative world where cycle lanes and 'reservoirs' don't always exist sometimes as a cyclist you have no option to wait. There are frequently times when I've ridden through London where it is not possible to get through or to do so you have to pull a series of questionable manoeuvres. E.g Buses blocking cycle lanes, taxi drivers pushing out of side roads, cars halfway through changing lanes or the road is just simply to narrow.
I agree that cyclists should observe red lights and pedestrian crossings but if the environmentalists are serious about encouraging everyone to leave their cars at home i think road planning should allow cyclists to safely progress through queues and congestion. That way you may reduce the erratic manoeuvres cyclists often pull in attempt to maintain momentum or not sit inhaling exhaust fumes.
That's all I wondered I agree that cyclists should observe red lights and pedestrian crossings but if the environmentalists are serious about encouraging everyone to leave their cars at home i think road planning should allow cyclists to safely progress through queues and congestion. That way you may reduce the erratic manoeuvres cyclists often pull in attempt to maintain momentum or not sit inhaling exhaust fumes.
I've never had an issue with it you see and I biked to work for years through rush hour on many roads which resembled car parks.
I wasn't adverse to a bit of weaving through stationary traffic though - just keep your eyes open and you're fine.
Personally, I'd rather have less people on bikes - There are already so many that are simply useless.
The proposer of this plan sounds just like the f
king retard that wanted any accident involving a cycle to automatically be the car-driver's fault!
He meant that the cyclist could have gone through a red light and be cycling up a one-way street the wrong way and still the car driver would have a claim against him!
He thought this was fair and reasonable and would make car drivers more aware of cyclists and be more courteous towards them, he really did.
My take on this would be to go back and finish the off. No witness, no claim.
And breathe...
Tim
king retard that wanted any accident involving a cycle to automatically be the car-driver's fault!He meant that the cyclist could have gone through a red light and be cycling up a one-way street the wrong way and still the car driver would have a claim against him!
He thought this was fair and reasonable and would make car drivers more aware of cyclists and be more courteous towards them, he really did.
My take on this would be to go back and finish the
off. No witness, no claim.And breathe...
Tim
roachcoach said:
Go into the cycle reservoir at the front, where you're supposed to be. Then make off, in the bike lane, where you're meant to be.
I'm talking about literally being mixed in with the traffic being dangerous. Nothing seems to turn people in retards quicker than having a bike in front of them.
Unless the street is unnaturally narrow or there are obstructions if cars are holding back bikes then, imo, the bikes are doing it wrong.
Just for clarity, are you making bike synonymous with cycle?I'm talking about literally being mixed in with the traffic being dangerous. Nothing seems to turn people in retards quicker than having a bike in front of them.
Unless the street is unnaturally narrow or there are obstructions if cars are holding back bikes then, imo, the bikes are doing it wrong.
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