Zonda C12 7.3 Roadster - Bonhams Goodwood Festival of Speed
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For your information, the recently spotted in the UK 'salmon pink' Zonda C12 Roadster with the 7.3l engine is coming up for sale at the Bonhams auction at this year's Goodwood Festival of Speed on Friday 1st July.
http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19286/lot/479/
http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19286/lot/479/
Bonhams said:
Lot No: 479Ω
One owner from new
2004 Pagani Zonda C12 7.3-Litre Roadster
Chassis no. ZA9C820C110F76041
Engine no. 12098312032119E100
Estimate: £200,000 - 250,000
Footnote:
One of the more fascinating aspects of the modern motoring scene is the recent emergence of the small independent supercar manufacturer, many of which have gone from relative obscurity to the status of household names in just a few short years, usually on the back of a product range offering hitherto almost unimaginable levels of performance. Whereas at one time established manufacturers such as Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz and Aston Martin only had one another to worry about, they now have to contend with the likes of Koenigsegg, Spyker, Noble, Ultima and, of course, Pagani.
Horacio Pagani was no newcomer to the world of automotive engineering when he built the first Zonda in 1999, for the Argentine-born industrial design graduate had been working with Lamborghini since the mid-1980s, developing the Countach and Diablo road cars and assisting with the Italian manufacturer's Formula 1 engine programme. The Zonda C12 debuted in coupé form at the 1999 Geneva Motor Show, its maker freely acknowledging that its styling had been inspired by the Mercedes-Benz Group C 'Silver Arrow'sports-racers. Mercedes-Benz's influence was more than just skin deep, for the German firm's AMG performance division was responsible for the Zonda's 6.0-litre V12 engine, which was mounted longitudinally amidships in the predominantly carbon fibre body tub. With some 408 horsepower on tap, the C12 was always going to be quick, but performance figures of 0-60mph in 4.2 seconds and 0-100 in 8.2 were simply staggering plus, of course, that all important 200mph (or thereabouts) top speed.
Seemingly small from the outside yet endowed with a comfortable cabin, the C12 provided the basis for a host of derivatives, which emerged from Pagani's factory at San Cesario sul Panaro near Modena (where else?) in strictly limited numbers over the next 11 years. After only a handful of 6.0-litre C12s had been built (and sold for around $320,000 apiece) the model was joined by the 7.0-litre C12 S in 2001. Maximum power increased to 542bhp with a commensurate increase in all round performance, the 0-60mph time dipping below 4 seconds; and as if that wasn't enough, a 7.3-litre, 555bhp version followed in 2002. Traction control became standard equipment on a Pagani for the first time with the 7.3's introduction
In 2003 Pagani finally got around to introducing the inevitable open roadster version of the Zonda C12 S 7.3, production of which was intended to run to only 40 units. According to Pagani: 'Elegantly appointed according to client's demand, the Zonda Roadster allows the lucky owner to personalise each detail according to his/her taste, from the careful selection of materials, such as the aluminium and carbon fibre finishes, to the sophisticated and exclusive interior in fine leather entirely processed and hand-sewn by master artisans.'
Subsequent variations on the C12 theme include the Zonda GR sports-racer, C12 S Monza track-day car, C12 F and C12 Roadster F, Zonda R track car, Zonda Cinque and Cinque Roadster, Zonda Tricolore and various 'one-offs' for wealthy clients.
Originally manufactured as a right-hand drive C12 S Roadster, this particular Zonda was sent back to the factory in 2008 for an overhaul and upgrading to 'F' high-performance specification. Carried out between June and September that year, this work included a complete overhaul of the 7.3-litre engine, which now produces a staggering 602bhp at 6,150rpm and 560lb/ft of torque at only 4,000 revs (specification sheet available). At the same time the car was repainted from yellow to its current 'Elvis Presley Cadillac Pink' livery, while other noteworthy features include a new leather dashboard, carbon fibre engine cover and rear diffuser, new 'F'-type exhaust system and an upgraded ECU. In this specification the Zonda is claimed to accelerate from a standstill to 60mph in only 3.6 seconds on its way to a top speed of 214mph. Of equal importance is the braking capability, the stop from 120mph being achievable in a mere 4.4 seconds courtesy of Brembo's best.
Please note, the car will be subject to import tax of 20% if remaining in the EU.
One owner from new
2004 Pagani Zonda C12 7.3-Litre Roadster
Chassis no. ZA9C820C110F76041
Engine no. 12098312032119E100
Estimate: £200,000 - 250,000
Footnote:
One of the more fascinating aspects of the modern motoring scene is the recent emergence of the small independent supercar manufacturer, many of which have gone from relative obscurity to the status of household names in just a few short years, usually on the back of a product range offering hitherto almost unimaginable levels of performance. Whereas at one time established manufacturers such as Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, Mercedes-Benz and Aston Martin only had one another to worry about, they now have to contend with the likes of Koenigsegg, Spyker, Noble, Ultima and, of course, Pagani.
Horacio Pagani was no newcomer to the world of automotive engineering when he built the first Zonda in 1999, for the Argentine-born industrial design graduate had been working with Lamborghini since the mid-1980s, developing the Countach and Diablo road cars and assisting with the Italian manufacturer's Formula 1 engine programme. The Zonda C12 debuted in coupé form at the 1999 Geneva Motor Show, its maker freely acknowledging that its styling had been inspired by the Mercedes-Benz Group C 'Silver Arrow'sports-racers. Mercedes-Benz's influence was more than just skin deep, for the German firm's AMG performance division was responsible for the Zonda's 6.0-litre V12 engine, which was mounted longitudinally amidships in the predominantly carbon fibre body tub. With some 408 horsepower on tap, the C12 was always going to be quick, but performance figures of 0-60mph in 4.2 seconds and 0-100 in 8.2 were simply staggering plus, of course, that all important 200mph (or thereabouts) top speed.
Seemingly small from the outside yet endowed with a comfortable cabin, the C12 provided the basis for a host of derivatives, which emerged from Pagani's factory at San Cesario sul Panaro near Modena (where else?) in strictly limited numbers over the next 11 years. After only a handful of 6.0-litre C12s had been built (and sold for around $320,000 apiece) the model was joined by the 7.0-litre C12 S in 2001. Maximum power increased to 542bhp with a commensurate increase in all round performance, the 0-60mph time dipping below 4 seconds; and as if that wasn't enough, a 7.3-litre, 555bhp version followed in 2002. Traction control became standard equipment on a Pagani for the first time with the 7.3's introduction
In 2003 Pagani finally got around to introducing the inevitable open roadster version of the Zonda C12 S 7.3, production of which was intended to run to only 40 units. According to Pagani: 'Elegantly appointed according to client's demand, the Zonda Roadster allows the lucky owner to personalise each detail according to his/her taste, from the careful selection of materials, such as the aluminium and carbon fibre finishes, to the sophisticated and exclusive interior in fine leather entirely processed and hand-sewn by master artisans.'
Subsequent variations on the C12 theme include the Zonda GR sports-racer, C12 S Monza track-day car, C12 F and C12 Roadster F, Zonda R track car, Zonda Cinque and Cinque Roadster, Zonda Tricolore and various 'one-offs' for wealthy clients.
Originally manufactured as a right-hand drive C12 S Roadster, this particular Zonda was sent back to the factory in 2008 for an overhaul and upgrading to 'F' high-performance specification. Carried out between June and September that year, this work included a complete overhaul of the 7.3-litre engine, which now produces a staggering 602bhp at 6,150rpm and 560lb/ft of torque at only 4,000 revs (specification sheet available). At the same time the car was repainted from yellow to its current 'Elvis Presley Cadillac Pink' livery, while other noteworthy features include a new leather dashboard, carbon fibre engine cover and rear diffuser, new 'F'-type exhaust system and an upgraded ECU. In this specification the Zonda is claimed to accelerate from a standstill to 60mph in only 3.6 seconds on its way to a top speed of 214mph. Of equal importance is the braking capability, the stop from 120mph being achievable in a mere 4.4 seconds courtesy of Brembo's best.
Please note, the car will be subject to import tax of 20% if remaining in the EU.
Edited by Shmee on Tuesday 14th June 15:12
This car is a possible bargain. Zonda have traditionally not sold well at auction, by that I mean they have not hit a high price point. The classic example being the Zonda R which sold for nearly £600k less than list late last year at auction.
It’s going to need a buyer to see past the colour and realise that a show quality repaint should be available for less than £15,000 and that’s top end from a good shop.
It may have been upgraded with F parts but it’s still no F so is therefore worth a lot less and let’s not forget that 20% has to be added if the car is to remain in the UK
Lambo FirstBlood may want to take a look at this
It’s going to need a buyer to see past the colour and realise that a show quality repaint should be available for less than £15,000 and that’s top end from a good shop.
It may have been upgraded with F parts but it’s still no F so is therefore worth a lot less and let’s not forget that 20% has to be added if the car is to remain in the UK
Lambo FirstBlood may want to take a look at this
Edited by Streetrod on Tuesday 14th June 15:48
JamieBeeston said:
still makes it < £300k and a bargain.. or am I missing something?
@ 200k hammer = 25.8k buyers premium and 40k of VAT and respray (how much from Factory?, 20k?) = 285k ...@ 250k hammer = 33k buyers premium and 50k of VAT and 20k respray = 303k etc etc
@ 300k hammer = 38k buyers premium and 60k of VAT and 20k respray = 418k etc
Could be a good option for someone I guess......
jonny5 said:
JamieBeeston said:
still makes it < £300k and a bargain.. or am I missing something?
@ 200k hammer = 25.8k buyers premium and 40k of VAT and respray (how much from Factory?, 20k?) = 285k ...@ 250k hammer = 33k buyers premium and 50k of VAT and 20k respray = 303k etc etc
@ 300k hammer = 38k buyers premium and 60k of VAT and 20k respray = 418k etc
Could be a good option for someone I guess......
Must ensure I'm elsewhere come July!
Will be good to see it set the market price though.. its been a while since one at this level sold.
Wonder what a Wrap would cost
one way to save a few bob!This "F" was recently bought by a guy over on TeamSpeed in Dubai and cost about £500k which would make it the cheapest F in a long time. The interior is a little challenging I think but could be changed. Also a lot of the Ali parts have been chromed which again smacks of way too much bling.
Currently the F's in the UK for sale are looking very rich at the moment and surprise surprise have not sold. The same can be said for some of the early cars which have been sitting in showrooms for a while.
I think the dealers are going to have to have a rethink if they expect to move stock on.
Currently the F's in the UK for sale are looking very rich at the moment and surprise surprise have not sold. The same can be said for some of the early cars which have been sitting in showrooms for a while.
I think the dealers are going to have to have a rethink if they expect to move stock on.
Streetrod said:
This car is a possible bargain. Zonda have traditionally not sold well at auction, by that I mean they have not hit a high price point. The classic example being the Zonda R which sold for nearly £600k less than list late last year at auction.
It’s going to need a buyer to see past the colour and realise that a show quality repaint should be available for less than £15,000 and that’s top end from a good shop.
It may have been upgraded with F parts but it’s still no F so is therefore worth a lot less and let’s not forget that 20% has to be added if the car is to remain in the UK
Lambo FirstBlood may want to take a look at this
All I'll say at this stage is I've registered to bid and I happen to be at the FOS the day before the auction so will go and see the car. Got some back ground checks to do but It is likely I will go to the auction and bid.It’s going to need a buyer to see past the colour and realise that a show quality repaint should be available for less than £15,000 and that’s top end from a good shop.
It may have been upgraded with F parts but it’s still no F so is therefore worth a lot less and let’s not forget that 20% has to be added if the car is to remain in the UK
Lambo FirstBlood may want to take a look at this
Edited by Streetrod on Tuesday 14th June 15:48
I'll keep you posted.
Street rod,
I know you know your Zondas. I'm interested why you think an S is worth so much less than an F. I know we both looked at the Romans car and both struggled to see the money in it.
I did put a firm offer in on the car which was declined by the owner. I understand no other offers came forward and the car is being returned to the owner unsold.
If you couldn't see that money in a virtually brand new F, surely an S at this price point has to be a better long term prospect? It appears to have had a lot of the F upgrades under the bonnet too.
I'm not saying your wrong per say, just interested in your opinion.
The more people I talk to, the more I think that the S might actually be the better long term bet. Don't get me wrong, the car at Roman's was perfect and if I was an oligarch and just had to have the best one, then OK but if this car goes for the estimate, 350% price difference??!!
I know you know your Zondas. I'm interested why you think an S is worth so much less than an F. I know we both looked at the Romans car and both struggled to see the money in it.
I did put a firm offer in on the car which was declined by the owner. I understand no other offers came forward and the car is being returned to the owner unsold.
If you couldn't see that money in a virtually brand new F, surely an S at this price point has to be a better long term prospect? It appears to have had a lot of the F upgrades under the bonnet too.
I'm not saying your wrong per say, just interested in your opinion.
The more people I talk to, the more I think that the S might actually be the better long term bet. Don't get me wrong, the car at Roman's was perfect and if I was an oligarch and just had to have the best one, then OK but if this car goes for the estimate, 350% price difference??!!
Lambo FirstBlood said:
Street rod,
I know you know your Zondas. I'm interested why you think an S is worth so much less than an F. I know we both looked at the Romans car and both struggled to see the money in it.
I did put a firm offer in on the car which was declined by the owner. I understand no other offers came forward and the car is being returned to the owner unsold.
If you couldn't see that money in a virtually brand new F, surely an S at this price point has to be a better long term prospect? It appears to have had a lot of the F upgrades under the bonnet too.
I'm not saying your wrong per say, just interested in your opinion.
The more people I talk to, the more I think that the S might actually be the better long term bet. Don't get me wrong, the car at Roman's was perfect and if I was an oligarch and just had to have the best one, then OK but if this car goes for the estimate, 350% price difference??!!
Hi LFB, This is how I see it and I think this may be borne out by the market. The F was a development of the S and received a number of upgrades including new bodywork front and rear that were a result of aero dynamic tests that Pagani undertook. Also the interior was upgraded with a new instrument cluster etc etc. And let’s not forget the engine and drive train upgrades.I know you know your Zondas. I'm interested why you think an S is worth so much less than an F. I know we both looked at the Romans car and both struggled to see the money in it.
I did put a firm offer in on the car which was declined by the owner. I understand no other offers came forward and the car is being returned to the owner unsold.
If you couldn't see that money in a virtually brand new F, surely an S at this price point has to be a better long term prospect? It appears to have had a lot of the F upgrades under the bonnet too.
I'm not saying your wrong per say, just interested in your opinion.
The more people I talk to, the more I think that the S might actually be the better long term bet. Don't get me wrong, the car at Roman's was perfect and if I was an oligarch and just had to have the best one, then OK but if this car goes for the estimate, 350% price difference??!!
Also with the introduction of the F Pagani started to offer cars with a bare carbon finish to the lower panels and for an extra cost the whole body. This raised the cost of production by a huge amount because of the time needed to line up the carbon weaves to match across the car. If you look at the S cars they are all completely painted.
Also at this time carbon brakes were added along with front lift systems etc etc. So as you can see all these upgrades lead to a huge increase in prices.
Pagani also rather cleverly made the F coupe and F roadsters limited additions by only building 25 numbered examples of each so adding to the exclusivity and giving the owners bragging rights.
The F at Romans is a near perfect car but well overpriced at £950k. The dealer and owner are trying to hype the market. Realistically I think that car is worth £800K - £825K, that is still a profit of nearly £300K on a three year old car, most people you would think would be happy with that
Over time I feel the F will follow the same trend we have seen with the McLaren F1, but this will take a number of years.
The S on the other hand I think has maybe better mid term prospects. If you want a car with a lot of external carbon then you are going to have to go back to Pagani for new body panels that are going to cost a fortune. You cannot strip the paint on this car and expect to find carbon of the quality needed to be exposed.
Therefore a repaint is in order. As I have stated Pagani will be happy to relieve you of £40k for the privilege but a highly respected body shop in this country will do as good as if not better job for a hell of a lot less
LFB if you are happy to take an S then I suggest you bid on this car. I would advise you hold back until the last minute as I think you could bag a bargain here.
As for going for a blue car that is a very good choice. here are a few pics fo the HH to help you out. Also they illustrate the carbon panels that are not on the S models:
Edited by Streetrod on Saturday 18th June 13:02
Streetrod said:
Hi LFB, This is how I see it and I think this may be borne out by the market. The F was a development of the S and received a number of upgrades including new bodywork front and rear that were a result of aero dynamic tests that Pagani undertook. Also the interior was upgraded with a new instrument cluster etc etc. And let’s not forget the engine and drive train upgrades.
Also with the introduction of the F Pagani started to offer cars with a bare carbon finish to the lower panels and for an extra cost the whole body. This raised the cost of production by a huge amount because of the time needed to line up the carbon weaves to match across the car. If you look at the S cars they are all completely painted.
Also at this time carbon brakes were added along with front lift systems etc etc. So as you can see all these upgrades lead to a huge increase in prices.
Pagani also rather cleverly made the F coupe and F roadsters limited additions by only building 25 numbered examples of each so adding to the exclusivity and giving the owners bragging rights.
The F at Romans is a near perfect car but well overpriced at £950k. The dealer and owner are trying to hype the market. Realistically I think that car is worth £800K - £825K, that is still a profit of nearly £300K on a three year old car, most people you would think would be happy with that
Over time I feel the F will follow the same trend we have seen with the McLaren F1, but this will take a number of years.
The S on the other hand I think has maybe better mid term prospects. If you want a car with a lot of external carbon then you are going to have to go back to Pagani for new body panels that are going to cost a fortune. You cannot strip the paint on this car and expect to find carbon of the quality needed to be exposed.
Therefore a repaint is in order. As I have stated Pagani will be happy to relieve you of £40k for the privilege but a highly respected body shop in this country will do as good as if not better job for a hell of a lot less
LFB if you are happy to take an S then I suggest you bid on this car. I would advise you hold back until the last minute as I think you could bag a bargain here.
As for going for a blue car that is a very good choice. here are a few pics fo the HH to help you out. Also they illustrate the carbon panels that are not on the S models:
Thanks for your reply.Also with the introduction of the F Pagani started to offer cars with a bare carbon finish to the lower panels and for an extra cost the whole body. This raised the cost of production by a huge amount because of the time needed to line up the carbon weaves to match across the car. If you look at the S cars they are all completely painted.
Also at this time carbon brakes were added along with front lift systems etc etc. So as you can see all these upgrades lead to a huge increase in prices.
Pagani also rather cleverly made the F coupe and F roadsters limited additions by only building 25 numbered examples of each so adding to the exclusivity and giving the owners bragging rights.
The F at Romans is a near perfect car but well overpriced at £950k. The dealer and owner are trying to hype the market. Realistically I think that car is worth £800K - £825K, that is still a profit of nearly £300K on a three year old car, most people you would think would be happy with that
Over time I feel the F will follow the same trend we have seen with the McLaren F1, but this will take a number of years.
The S on the other hand I think has maybe better mid term prospects. If you want a car with a lot of external carbon then you are going to have to go back to Pagani for new body panels that are going to cost a fortune. You cannot strip the paint on this car and expect to find carbon of the quality needed to be exposed.
Therefore a repaint is in order. As I have stated Pagani will be happy to relieve you of £40k for the privilege but a highly respected body shop in this country will do as good as if not better job for a hell of a lot less
LFB if you are happy to take an S then I suggest you bid on this car. I would advise you hold back until the last minute as I think you could bag a bargain here.
As for going for a blue car that is a very good choice. here are a few pics fo the HH to help you out. Also they illustrate the carbon panels that are not on the S models:
Edited by Streetrod on Saturday 18th June 13:02
I definitely get that the F has a number of upgrades and that there's more cost involved but I think the S is even rarer than the 25F coupes/25F roadsters. I think there are only 18 7.3s Coupes and 13 roadsters.
The bare carbon finish is lovely and one thing the S lacks that I really like. Any idea on how expensive that is to do?
I understand that this car has had engine, gearbox and exhaust upgrades to F spec from talking to the people at Bonhams. It also has a new interior which from the limited picture looks good. As the chassis is identical I would think that if the engine, gearbox, exhaust and brakes were upgrade the drive would be identical to an F. If that's the case, the only real difference is the aesthetics.
I know that Andy said it was more expensive to buy an S and upgrade than it was to buy an F but surely, If this car goes for the estimate, it can't cost £700,000.00 in extras to tun it in to a full F if one was inclined?
I've got no basis for saying that and I reserve the right to be proved wrong but the more I narrow down the differences, i just can't see that much money in changing those bits. I mean, Pagani could build a brand new F with a healthy profit for £450K 3 years ago. Surely, they can upgrade an S that shares >80% components to one for no more than this?
am I missing something?
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