Could you build a junior GT3?
Discussion
This is sparked off from a thread in the Porsche forum on Turbo v's GT3, again.
It seems to be the common moan that the turbo doesn't feel too special until you are doing silly speeds, whereas the GT3 is more alive and although quick, allows more thrills at lower speeds.
That has to be down to acceleration, the response, the noise and the crispness of it.
So it got me thinking, if you can get that much excitement at those speeds, can you get the same excitement at lower speeds and price points?
So here's the brief.
Excellent chassis, has to feel special when you drive it.
Excellent engine, no flat spots, torquey but good few revs.
Excellent noise, has to make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck.
So how would you go about it? Can be any combination you like, even if it would require some fairly big mods.
It seems to be the common moan that the turbo doesn't feel too special until you are doing silly speeds, whereas the GT3 is more alive and although quick, allows more thrills at lower speeds.
That has to be down to acceleration, the response, the noise and the crispness of it.
So it got me thinking, if you can get that much excitement at those speeds, can you get the same excitement at lower speeds and price points?
So here's the brief.
Excellent chassis, has to feel special when you drive it.
Excellent engine, no flat spots, torquey but good few revs.
Excellent noise, has to make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck.
So how would you go about it? Can be any combination you like, even if it would require some fairly big mods.
964. Drill the airbox, fir fruity exhaust.
Fit Pro Flex bump rebound dampers, suitable springs. Strut brace at the front.
15mm per side spacers on the back. 5mm on the front.
Big brakes if budget allows, either way Pagid blues and Castrol SRF.
Add Oil cooler for safety.
This setup, whilst slower than a 996 GT3, is still class winningly quick (old Intermarque), sounds luuuurvely, and handles like a dream =)
Fit Pro Flex bump rebound dampers, suitable springs. Strut brace at the front.
15mm per side spacers on the back. 5mm on the front.
Big brakes if budget allows, either way Pagid blues and Castrol SRF.
Add Oil cooler for safety.
This setup, whilst slower than a 996 GT3, is still class winningly quick (old Intermarque), sounds luuuurvely, and handles like a dream =)
mx5 chassis, but the engine doesn't have the hairs on your back of the neck thing going - even turboing one wouldn't give it 'specialness'.
why not rip the engine out, and drop an s2000 engine in. Packaging/weight shouldn't be an issue, do they turn the wrong way or something? otherwise I guess do whatever engine work you need to the 1.8 engine to bring the redline up to 8,500rpm (only 1,200 increase) and approx 50% more power
why not rip the engine out, and drop an s2000 engine in. Packaging/weight shouldn't be an issue, do they turn the wrong way or something? otherwise I guess do whatever engine work you need to the 1.8 engine to bring the redline up to 8,500rpm (only 1,200 increase) and approx 50% more power
Mk1 Cayman S. Quite cheap these days.
Chassis & Interior
Quaife torque biasing limited slip differential
Brembo GT brake kit (braided hoses naturally)
http://www.autofarm.co.uk/parts/chassis/brake_kits
Uprated springs, shocks, anti roll bars and bushes.
Strut braces. Roll cage.
Short shift gear linkage.
Recaro Pole Position FIA approved seats. Fire extinguisher.
Cheap power option
Sports high flow exhaust, highflow air intake, remap etc good for about c30 odd extra BHP.
Serious power option
Stick a 3.7l engine in. 365bhp.
http://www.autofarm.co.uk/engines/water_cooled/cap...
And if you wanted to go the whole hog, probably put it on a diet too.
http://www.autofarm.co.uk/performance/box_987/body...
And of course, what GT3 would be complete without a wing on the back?
Chassis & Interior
Quaife torque biasing limited slip differential
Brembo GT brake kit (braided hoses naturally)
http://www.autofarm.co.uk/parts/chassis/brake_kits
Uprated springs, shocks, anti roll bars and bushes.
Strut braces. Roll cage.
Short shift gear linkage.
Recaro Pole Position FIA approved seats. Fire extinguisher.
Cheap power option
Sports high flow exhaust, highflow air intake, remap etc good for about c30 odd extra BHP.
Serious power option
Stick a 3.7l engine in. 365bhp.
http://www.autofarm.co.uk/engines/water_cooled/cap...
And if you wanted to go the whole hog, probably put it on a diet too.
http://www.autofarm.co.uk/performance/box_987/body...
And of course, what GT3 would be complete without a wing on the back?
Edited by nickythesaint on Wednesday 15th June 20:01
Someone committed sacrilege against what was a great looking car, not it looks 'special' with it's massive under-bite and stupid side intakes.OlberJ said:
This is sparked off from a thread in the Porsche forum on Turbo v's GT3, again.
It seems to be the common moan that the turbo doesn't feel too special until you are doing silly speeds, whereas the GT3 is more alive and although quick, allows more thrills at lower speeds.
That has to be down to acceleration, the response, the noise and the crispness of it.
So it got me thinking, if you can get that much excitement at those speeds, can you get the same excitement at lower speeds and price points?
So here's the brief.
Excellent chassis, has to feel special when you drive it.
Excellent engine, no flat spots, torquey but good few revs.
Excellent noise, has to make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck.
So how would you go about it? Can be any combination you like, even if it would require some fairly big mods.
Suspect there's quite a few takes on this.It seems to be the common moan that the turbo doesn't feel too special until you are doing silly speeds, whereas the GT3 is more alive and although quick, allows more thrills at lower speeds.
That has to be down to acceleration, the response, the noise and the crispness of it.
So it got me thinking, if you can get that much excitement at those speeds, can you get the same excitement at lower speeds and price points?
So here's the brief.
Excellent chassis, has to feel special when you drive it.
Excellent engine, no flat spots, torquey but good few revs.
Excellent noise, has to make the hairs stand up on the back of your neck.
So how would you go about it? Can be any combination you like, even if it would require some fairly big mods.
From budget kit cars to more expensive machines.
Evidently many a Lotus is likely to be counted among these.
An oddball one would be an RX-8. If Mazda had been a bit more savvy and built an MPS variant.......
So in the aftermarket, weight reduciton, coil overs and a supercharger and you have one very focused driving machine.R26.R would also seem to tick the boxes as I've now learned quite a bit about them.
Corvette z06 and the new Mustang GT are probably contenders too.
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