Advice - repaired toyo tyre.
Discussion
Ok please read this carefully as I am getting conflicting information on this tyre.
Drove to work one day, car was fine, parked up and never went back to car till 6pm. Got to car and the REAR DRIVER SIDE TYRE WAS FLAT.
Checked it out could see nothing. Got my tyre foot pump out and pumped up to 28psi and waited for it to go back down. Nothing. It stayed inflated. I waited around ten minutes before leaving to make sure. It drove ok all way back from bolton to bury. This was last thursday 9/6/11. Friday morning its still inflated and I could still not see anything. anyway as I work from 8-6 have no time to take to garage.
Saturday morning I take it to garage i normally go to to have tyres changed or fitted. He asked me to come back later as he had two cars to see to.
Came back later and a young lad was the only one there, he never attempted to come out and so I had to shout him out to check my wheel and tyre for me. Once wheel took off he spotted it on the inner left side a bent nail was far in enough to be repaired. It was bubbling away. I watched him (bearing in mind I have never seen a tyre repaired in my life). He left the tyre on the wheel 15" toyo and inserted a plier type tool and pushed down into the tyre then took a long rubber/plastic thing strip, bent it in half and pushed it in the hole and then snipped off at the top. Put wheel back on and £10 was the bill. I was happy until yesterday when i took my mum in the car to cheshire oaks in chester and as i went over 60mph the car was bouncing from the rear and a wobble on the wheel.
this car has been balanced on every wheel and geo'd at nigel langs two years ago.
People on nutz are saying the wheel should have been balanced when repaired - is this right??? And I didnt ask him to balance the wheel as I didnt think of it, only thought wheels were balanced when tyre changed.
some are saying it was done illegally and it could have killed me if the tyre had blown out.
I just want a straightforward answer.
GO TO THE GARAGE I HAD IT DONE AT AND EXPLAIN WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND ASK WHY IT WAS NOT REBALANCED?
GO TO ATS AND GET THEM TO INSPECT IT AND REBALANCE?
I HAVE PAID £10 ALREADY AND DONT WANT TO KEEP HAVING TO PAY OUT. WHERE IS IT BEST TO GO TO IN BURY, LANCS???
Men see a woman coming and I know most stuff about my car but dont want to be laughed at or shown up.
Drove to work one day, car was fine, parked up and never went back to car till 6pm. Got to car and the REAR DRIVER SIDE TYRE WAS FLAT.
Checked it out could see nothing. Got my tyre foot pump out and pumped up to 28psi and waited for it to go back down. Nothing. It stayed inflated. I waited around ten minutes before leaving to make sure. It drove ok all way back from bolton to bury. This was last thursday 9/6/11. Friday morning its still inflated and I could still not see anything. anyway as I work from 8-6 have no time to take to garage.
Saturday morning I take it to garage i normally go to to have tyres changed or fitted. He asked me to come back later as he had two cars to see to.
Came back later and a young lad was the only one there, he never attempted to come out and so I had to shout him out to check my wheel and tyre for me. Once wheel took off he spotted it on the inner left side a bent nail was far in enough to be repaired. It was bubbling away. I watched him (bearing in mind I have never seen a tyre repaired in my life). He left the tyre on the wheel 15" toyo and inserted a plier type tool and pushed down into the tyre then took a long rubber/plastic thing strip, bent it in half and pushed it in the hole and then snipped off at the top. Put wheel back on and £10 was the bill. I was happy until yesterday when i took my mum in the car to cheshire oaks in chester and as i went over 60mph the car was bouncing from the rear and a wobble on the wheel.
this car has been balanced on every wheel and geo'd at nigel langs two years ago.
People on nutz are saying the wheel should have been balanced when repaired - is this right??? And I didnt ask him to balance the wheel as I didnt think of it, only thought wheels were balanced when tyre changed.
some are saying it was done illegally and it could have killed me if the tyre had blown out.
I just want a straightforward answer.
GO TO THE GARAGE I HAD IT DONE AT AND EXPLAIN WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND ASK WHY IT WAS NOT REBALANCED?
GO TO ATS AND GET THEM TO INSPECT IT AND REBALANCE?
I HAVE PAID £10 ALREADY AND DONT WANT TO KEEP HAVING TO PAY OUT. WHERE IS IT BEST TO GO TO IN BURY, LANCS???
Men see a woman coming and I know most stuff about my car but dont want to be laughed at or shown up.
As long as the nail was away from the shoulders then a tyre repair is fine and perfectly safe & legal.
To repair the tyre they had to remove it from the wheel. They have also added a rubber plug to seal the hole. So yes, they should have rebalanced it afterwards (i.e. remove the existing wheel weights then rebalance).
Rather than causing a scene I'd just go back to the garage and ask them to rebalance it as it's out of balance. Wouldn't cost more than a couple of £ even if they charged you for it so not worth worrying about.
If you are concerned about looking like a helpless female, is there a male friend/relative who could go with you?
Alternatively, go to a different garage, tell them what's happened and let them rebalance it. You would have to pay for it of course but if you sound pissed off about the other garage I'm sure they would be very reasonable about it
To repair the tyre they had to remove it from the wheel. They have also added a rubber plug to seal the hole. So yes, they should have rebalanced it afterwards (i.e. remove the existing wheel weights then rebalance).
Rather than causing a scene I'd just go back to the garage and ask them to rebalance it as it's out of balance. Wouldn't cost more than a couple of £ even if they charged you for it so not worth worrying about.
If you are concerned about looking like a helpless female, is there a male friend/relative who could go with you?
Alternatively, go to a different garage, tell them what's happened and let them rebalance it. You would have to pay for it of course but if you sound pissed off about the other garage I'm sure they would be very reasonable about it
From what you say it sounds as though they didn't remove the tyre from the wheel and simply pushed the plug through from the outside. If that's correct I wouldn't be very happy with the repair. In my experience they need to take the tyre off the wheel. If there is a substantial hole they will then use a mushroom shaped patch, pushing the 'stalk' of the mushroom through from the inside while the 'base' of the mushroom seals the hole on the inside, using a rubber solvent to ensure an airtight seal . If it's a very small hole they will just apply a simple patch to the inside.
The point is that the air pressure when the tyre is inflated will tend to push the patches tighter against the hole, keeping the seal good.
The last repair I had done the fitter replaced the tyre in exactly the same place on the wheel and no rebalance was needed. After all, the rubber patches weigh next to nothing. It follows that if the guy doing your repair did not remove the tyre, I'm surprised if it's now badly out of balance and wonder if somethig else is causing the vibration. Are you sure that you didn't drive it while the tyre was flat, which could have damaged it?
The point is that the air pressure when the tyre is inflated will tend to push the patches tighter against the hole, keeping the seal good.
The last repair I had done the fitter replaced the tyre in exactly the same place on the wheel and no rebalance was needed. After all, the rubber patches weigh next to nothing. It follows that if the guy doing your repair did not remove the tyre, I'm surprised if it's now badly out of balance and wonder if somethig else is causing the vibration. Are you sure that you didn't drive it while the tyre was flat, which could have damaged it?
as I said the tyre was fully inflated all the way home, was never flat, only when i returned to the car that day was it flat.
Please read my thread fully. the tyre was never ever removed from the wheel.
And no there has never been a wobble on my wheels as they have all been balanced before every single time and were laser aligned at nigel langs garage two years ago and ive never had a problem.
I now will have to wait till tomorrow.
No nobody on nutz will come with me, i never get any offers of backup or help with problems like these.
And there are tons of mx5s I know of in bury who wave at me!
Please read my thread fully. the tyre was never ever removed from the wheel.
And no there has never been a wobble on my wheels as they have all been balanced before every single time and were laser aligned at nigel langs garage two years ago and ive never had a problem.
I now will have to wait till tomorrow.
No nobody on nutz will come with me, i never get any offers of backup or help with problems like these.
And there are tons of mx5s I know of in bury who wave at me!
As GDB said, they should have removed the tyre to do the repair. Having said that, I'm no expert in tyre repair, it could be that they have some new tyre repair method that can be done with the tyre in place.
It could be that they knocked off a wheel weight.
Just a quick thought - make sure the wheel nuts are tight!
It could be that they knocked off a wheel weight.
Just a quick thought - make sure the wheel nuts are tight!
Edited by MX-5 Lazza on Saturday 18th June 09:48
The BSAU 159 standard states that tyres should be removed from their rims to be thoroughly inspected to ascertain their suitability for repair.
So the guys on Nutz are correct. The repair they did on your car was illegal. They have to remove the tyre so they can inspect it for damage to make sure it is suitable for repair.
Do you have AA/RAC cover? If so, give them a call and tell them what has happened.
So the guys on Nutz are correct. The repair they did on your car was illegal. They have to remove the tyre so they can inspect it for damage to make sure it is suitable for repair.
Do you have AA/RAC cover? If so, give them a call and tell them what has happened.
Its obviuosly concerning you so go to another fitter and just be honest and say whats happened, tell them you want a proper repair from the inside and balancing done afterwards.
I know its pissing you off, so just get it done won't cost more than 10-15 quid but you'll know it was done right - piece of mind and all that.
Get a receipt for it so at least you can go back without worry.
I know its pissing you off, so just get it done won't cost more than 10-15 quid but you'll know it was done right - piece of mind and all that.
Get a receipt for it so at least you can go back without worry.
MX-5 Lazza said:
The BSAU 159 standard states that tyres should be removed from their rims to be thoroughly inspected to ascertain their suitability for repair.
So the guys on Nutz are correct. The repair they did on your car was illegal. They have to remove the tyre so they can inspect it for damage to make sure it is suitable for repair.
Do you have AA/RAC cover? If so, give them a call and tell them what has happened.
I'm not coughing up £130 for the pdf, but a lot of British Standards are voluntary, not compulsory.So the guys on Nutz are correct. The repair they did on your car was illegal. They have to remove the tyre so they can inspect it for damage to make sure it is suitable for repair.
Do you have AA/RAC cover? If so, give them a call and tell them what has happened.
I know to sell a part-worn tyre repairs must conform to this standard, but it's possible that repairs to fitted tyres do not have to.
It may be that the repair carried out is legal (although ill-advised imo)
Went to Elton Tyres, told them the story, they inspected the repair, (wrong plug used) they said the wider plug would have been the correct one to use. Anyway they recommended a new repair which they did with the utmost care and then balanced the wheel. Nice guys and were actually interested in the type of car I had. told them I was stressed about the safety of the car. £10 the charge was and they recommended I swap the tyre for a new one or used one.
http://www.eltontyres.co.uk/
I asked about their yokohama tyres and they will fit and supply one tyre for £50.
They gave me a receipt for the work and they suggested I go back to the other garage fora refund.
I went back to the garage on wash lane, and saw the guy who owns the place and remembered me from the many tyre changes I had been for. I explained the story and he accepted the young guy (who was now on holiday) had repaired it incorrectly and he should have balanced it also. He was quite apologetic and said he agreed the wrong repair was made and then offered me a new tyre. But I said no because they dont have toyos or yokohamas so I asked him for £20 back for the trouble.
He apologised again and said he would like to keep my custom but think i will be going back to elton tyres as they were more professional.
Maybe I should have asked for £35 for the new tyre i have to get but I have not got the confidence I used to have and find it very difficult these days to fight my corner and not get upset
http://www.eltontyres.co.uk/
I asked about their yokohama tyres and they will fit and supply one tyre for £50.
They gave me a receipt for the work and they suggested I go back to the other garage fora refund.
I went back to the garage on wash lane, and saw the guy who owns the place and remembered me from the many tyre changes I had been for. I explained the story and he accepted the young guy (who was now on holiday) had repaired it incorrectly and he should have balanced it also. He was quite apologetic and said he agreed the wrong repair was made and then offered me a new tyre. But I said no because they dont have toyos or yokohamas so I asked him for £20 back for the trouble.
He apologised again and said he would like to keep my custom but think i will be going back to elton tyres as they were more professional.
Maybe I should have asked for £35 for the new tyre i have to get but I have not got the confidence I used to have and find it very difficult these days to fight my corner and not get upset
I've never heard of Toyos being prone to punctures. Sounds like you are unlucky, I've only had one puncture in the last 13 years of MX5 ownership and that was a long screw in a GY F1 tyre that destroyed the tyre.
If it's just the one tyre you would be replacing stick with the same as what's on the other side of the axle. If you replace the pair with Yokos have them put on the front.
If it's just the one tyre you would be replacing stick with the same as what's on the other side of the axle. If you replace the pair with Yokos have them put on the front.
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