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Discussion
For every time any of the following have been said 
1. When are you going in to Pro Mod?
2. We would love to see your car in Pro Mod
3. Why can't you race in Pro Mod?
4. It's silly that you can't race in Pro Mod
If I did I wouldn't have to put a few quid on tonight's
euromillions
It is a shame and certainly something we would absolutely
love to do as a team. I think it would be easier to say fair
enough if our engine was to big but because it's to small does
make us chuckle.....
When we see a field of 7 entered for an event like this weeks
nationals it would have been great to make up the numbers but it's
very clear that a V6 under FIA and MSA regs is not allowed currently.
We certainly cannot afford to lose our sponsors by swapping
to a non Japanese engine and actually don't want to either as
we really want to try and chase down the numbers set
elsewhere in the world for Jap cars and still have some way to go
yet to be competitive with the best (6.41 @ 224 currently)
Real shame as I'm sure it would bring more people to the gate
from the Jap community which itself has some sizable events and
I know our sponsors would bust a gut in terms of publicity for the series
I know constant rule changes seem to be a horrendous part
of life in Pro Mod which must be a budget nightmare for a lot of
guys in the series.
It would be amazing to see an ADRL/outlaw series in the future and
we would certainly be in there like a shot to join in, but it does need
lots of others to support and a number of other great cars out there currently
Who could also run in it.
We are certainly happy to support any such class now or in the future.
Was great to run our recent pb at the weekend at Jap show of 6.75 and certainly more to come
Fingers crossed for a wild ADRL type class in the future that allows people to get on and race
with whatever floats their boats
and certainly more to come.
1. When are you going in to Pro Mod?
2. We would love to see your car in Pro Mod
3. Why can't you race in Pro Mod?
4. It's silly that you can't race in Pro Mod
If I did I wouldn't have to put a few quid on tonight's
euromillions
It is a shame and certainly something we would absolutely
love to do as a team. I think it would be easier to say fair
enough if our engine was to big but because it's to small does
make us chuckle.....
When we see a field of 7 entered for an event like this weeks
nationals it would have been great to make up the numbers but it's
very clear that a V6 under FIA and MSA regs is not allowed currently.
We certainly cannot afford to lose our sponsors by swapping
to a non Japanese engine and actually don't want to either as
we really want to try and chase down the numbers set
elsewhere in the world for Jap cars and still have some way to go
yet to be competitive with the best (6.41 @ 224 currently)
Real shame as I'm sure it would bring more people to the gate
from the Jap community which itself has some sizable events and
I know our sponsors would bust a gut in terms of publicity for the series
I know constant rule changes seem to be a horrendous part
of life in Pro Mod which must be a budget nightmare for a lot of
guys in the series.
It would be amazing to see an ADRL/outlaw series in the future and
we would certainly be in there like a shot to join in, but it does need
lots of others to support and a number of other great cars out there currently
Who could also run in it.
We are certainly happy to support any such class now or in the future.
Was great to run our recent pb at the weekend at Jap show of 6.75 and certainly more to come
Fingers crossed for a wild ADRL type class in the future that allows people to get on and race
with whatever floats their boats
and certainly more to come.
you know my feelings, the sooner the better, but realisticaly it will have to wait till the next year at the earliest,
it wouldnt hurt to find out exactly who agrees and who dont to see if it can move forward,
the tech guys like the idea cause they can see the damage fia rules do to a domestic class,
it wouldnt hurt to find out exactly who agrees and who dont to see if it can move forward,
the tech guys like the idea cause they can see the damage fia rules do to a domestic class,
ok as i realy wouldnt support an Outlaw class as in the drivers make the rules up as they go along, i wouldnt support ANY kind of Dilution of the class leading to handicap racing,
anything less than what pro mod is now with a few sensible rule changes to save unnesacary costs and allow in more cars is not acceptable, this wouldnt be a class for cars running high 7s to enter then start complaining they cant win, it would have to be a class for heads up 6 sec and very low 7 sec doorslammers
Agreed??
anything less than what pro mod is now with a few sensible rule changes to save unnesacary costs and allow in more cars is not acceptable, this wouldnt be a class for cars running high 7s to enter then start complaining they cant win, it would have to be a class for heads up 6 sec and very low 7 sec doorslammers
Agreed??
ok
i dont know if you spoke any more about it with Ian
i spoke about it with mark and Geoff and was advised to draught a letter to the uk tech comitee outlining the changes and the reasons why along with some proposed rules,
the other thing is there simply must be viable cars that need to run in the class and can run in the class straight away we cant do this based on dreams and promises,
the other current msa pro mod racers are being suspiciously quiet at the moment,
I expect some resistance but not much, once that brake rule is rattified by the world council (as it will be cause at that level its a rubber stamping exercise) then we will see whats what,
i dont know if you spoke any more about it with Ian
i spoke about it with mark and Geoff and was advised to draught a letter to the uk tech comitee outlining the changes and the reasons why along with some proposed rules,
the other thing is there simply must be viable cars that need to run in the class and can run in the class straight away we cant do this based on dreams and promises,
the other current msa pro mod racers are being suspiciously quiet at the moment,
I expect some resistance but not much, once that brake rule is rattified by the world council (as it will be cause at that level its a rubber stamping exercise) then we will see whats what,
if you look at the topdoorslammer rules i Sweden, it says nothing abouth number of cylinders, just engine size. i know that there are many cars from topdoorslammer that wolud like to run Por Mod, but it ist too expensive for them, when the rules change all the time. It would be great to have at eu-class whit the rules from that race series.
if you don´t know what i am talking abouth look here.
CLASS BREAK-OUT: 6.0 sec.
CHASSIS: SFI 25.1 E certification required.
SUSPENSION: Race car type suspension required. Solid suspension prohibited.
WHEEL BASE: Minimum 100", Maximum 115". S-10, Ranger, Dakota Maximum 125", and full size trucks maximum 140” Maximum variation is 2” side to side.
GROUND CLEARANCE: Minimum of 3” required from whatever portion of the vehicles body or chassis that breaks staging beam to 12” behind front axle centerline. Minimum of 2” for remainder of vehicle.
BODY: Funny car or one piece bodies not allowed even if equipped with doors. Maximum front end overhang of 45” as measured from centerline of front spindle. An extension may be used to reach 45.
DOORS: Required. Doors must be functional and able to be opened from both the inside and outside of the vehicle.
DRIVER LOCATION: Must be in stock location.
WEIGHT: No minimum weight.
ENGINE: No maximum cubic inch limit.
SUPERCHARGER: Use of any size centrifugal, roots-type or screw-type supercharger allowed.
OVERDRIVE: No overdrive limit for roots and high-helix blower.
If using a screwblower see below.
Engine size
PSI
Whipple
To 500 cid
2.25
1.70
500 - 450 cid
2.15
1.62
450 cid
2.04
1.54
TURBOCHARGER: Allowed.
NITROUS OXIDE: Allowed, but not together with any other power adder!!
TRANSMISSION: Any type allowed, if use of automatic transmission it need to be fitted with efficient oil collecting device.
CLUTCH/FLYWHEEL: Flywheel and clutch meeting SFI 1.3, 1.4, or 1.5 certification required.
REAR END: Automotive type, Full-floater rear end required on cars that runs faster than 6.50 sec @ 1/4" 3.90 sec @ 1/8” or reaches a final speed of 210 mph (338km/h).
WHEELS: Wheels meeting SFI spec 15.1 mandatory. Maximum width 16”. Use of a liner mandatory on all non bead lock wheels.
STARTER: Optional. No push starts allowed.
FUEL: Unleaded gasoline or methanol, use of nitromethane is prohibited.
LICENSE: Valid FIA International License or C1 (Pro Mod) license mandatory.
OTHER: Follows most FIA Rules for Advanced ET but SBF rules first...
CONTACT : Daniel "Dojjan" Carlsson @ +46-70-5436651 or e-mail
your car should fit right in
sorry for the spelling, it´s been a while since i learned English (20 years) and i haven´t really used it since then
if you don´t know what i am talking abouth look here.
CLASS BREAK-OUT: 6.0 sec.
CHASSIS: SFI 25.1 E certification required.
SUSPENSION: Race car type suspension required. Solid suspension prohibited.
WHEEL BASE: Minimum 100", Maximum 115". S-10, Ranger, Dakota Maximum 125", and full size trucks maximum 140” Maximum variation is 2” side to side.
GROUND CLEARANCE: Minimum of 3” required from whatever portion of the vehicles body or chassis that breaks staging beam to 12” behind front axle centerline. Minimum of 2” for remainder of vehicle.
BODY: Funny car or one piece bodies not allowed even if equipped with doors. Maximum front end overhang of 45” as measured from centerline of front spindle. An extension may be used to reach 45.
DOORS: Required. Doors must be functional and able to be opened from both the inside and outside of the vehicle.
DRIVER LOCATION: Must be in stock location.
WEIGHT: No minimum weight.
ENGINE: No maximum cubic inch limit.
SUPERCHARGER: Use of any size centrifugal, roots-type or screw-type supercharger allowed.
OVERDRIVE: No overdrive limit for roots and high-helix blower.
If using a screwblower see below.
Engine size
PSI
Whipple
To 500 cid
2.25
1.70
500 - 450 cid
2.15
1.62
450 cid
2.04
1.54
TURBOCHARGER: Allowed.
NITROUS OXIDE: Allowed, but not together with any other power adder!!
TRANSMISSION: Any type allowed, if use of automatic transmission it need to be fitted with efficient oil collecting device.
CLUTCH/FLYWHEEL: Flywheel and clutch meeting SFI 1.3, 1.4, or 1.5 certification required.
REAR END: Automotive type, Full-floater rear end required on cars that runs faster than 6.50 sec @ 1/4" 3.90 sec @ 1/8” or reaches a final speed of 210 mph (338km/h).
WHEELS: Wheels meeting SFI spec 15.1 mandatory. Maximum width 16”. Use of a liner mandatory on all non bead lock wheels.
STARTER: Optional. No push starts allowed.
FUEL: Unleaded gasoline or methanol, use of nitromethane is prohibited.
LICENSE: Valid FIA International License or C1 (Pro Mod) license mandatory.
OTHER: Follows most FIA Rules for Advanced ET but SBF rules first...
CONTACT : Daniel "Dojjan" Carlsson @ +46-70-5436651 or e-mail
your car should fit right in
sorry for the spelling, it´s been a while since i learned English (20 years) and i haven´t really used it since then
Edited by Nova 396 on Tuesday 21st June 17:34
If the carbon brake rule is given the OK for 2012 then i'm interested in this for sure.
That rule just hasn't been thought out at all IMO,and i'm not prepared to risk the investment i have in the car for someone's whim.
I think we can bring a lot to the table,not so much in speed yet,but other things.
That rule just hasn't been thought out at all IMO,and i'm not prepared to risk the investment i have in the car for someone's whim.
I think we can bring a lot to the table,not so much in speed yet,but other things.
The brake rule has been voted on and accepted as an fia rule for 2012
its a done deal you will not race at ANY fia events next year without them no ifs buts or maybes
edited for spelling as the keys on my phone made my spelling worse than usual
its a done deal you will not race at ANY fia events next year without them no ifs buts or maybes
edited for spelling as the keys on my phone made my spelling worse than usual
Edited by wicked fish on Tuesday 21st June 23:45
wicked fish said:
The btake rule has been voted on and accepyed as an fia rule for 2012
Uts a done deal you will not race at ANY fia events next year without them no ifs buts or maybes
Is it as done a deal as the 15.3 wheels? And as nothing is cast in stone(according to speedgroup) then how done a deal can it be....Uts a done deal you will not race at ANY fia events next year without them no ifs buts or maybes
well the fia drag racing commision meeting was held the same weekend as the main event Lars Peterson the FIA drag racing commisioner was there as was Graham Light from the NHRA tech comitee At that meeting they voted on some rule changes for 2012 and one of them was that ALL pro class cars must have carbon brakes, phill Evens presented an alternative and it was voted down,
the UK tech guys then toured the pits making a list of those with and those without, TBH most cars already have them in TMD TMFC TF PS and a lot in PM but we were all warned, Not one of the british cars have them except mine iv been told bert has ordered some already call Mark or Geoff
the final process is ratification at the fia world council meeting in december, it is a rubber stamp deal as you can imagine no one on the fia world council knows anything about drag racing, so whatever the commision recomend gets rubber stamped,
dont take my word ask the uk tech guys
the MSA take their rules from the FIA if they diddnt and the msa rules are different then msa cars cant run FIA meetings, msa cars are no longer pro mod cars if they dont comply so of cource the msa will take the rule and the tech guys will enforce it, they have to otherwise its grounds for a protest under fia rules
the UK tech guys then toured the pits making a list of those with and those without, TBH most cars already have them in TMD TMFC TF PS and a lot in PM but we were all warned, Not one of the british cars have them except mine iv been told bert has ordered some already call Mark or Geoff
the final process is ratification at the fia world council meeting in december, it is a rubber stamp deal as you can imagine no one on the fia world council knows anything about drag racing, so whatever the commision recomend gets rubber stamped,
dont take my word ask the uk tech guys
the MSA take their rules from the FIA if they diddnt and the msa rules are different then msa cars cant run FIA meetings, msa cars are no longer pro mod cars if they dont comply so of cource the msa will take the rule and the tech guys will enforce it, they have to otherwise its grounds for a protest under fia rules
wicked fish said:
well the fia drag racing commision meeting was held the same weekend as the main event Lars Peterson the FIA drag racing commisioner was there as was Graham Light from the NHRA tech comitee At that meeting they voted on some rule changes for 2012 and one of them was that ALL pro class cars must have carbon brakes, phill Evens presented an alternative and it was voted down,
the UK tech guys then toured the pits making a list of those with and those without, TBH most cars already have them in TMD TMFC TF PS and a lot in PM but we were all warned, Not one of the british cars have them except mine iv been told bert has ordered some already call Mark or Geoff
the final process is ratifuication at the fia world council meeting in december, it is a rubber stamp deal as you can imagine no one on the fia world council knows anything about drag racing, so whatever the commision recomend gets rubber stamped,
dont take my word ask the uk tech guys
the MSA take their rules from the FIA if they diddnt and the msa rules are different then msa cars cant run FIA meetings, msa cars are no longer pro mod cars if they dont comply so of cource the msa will take the rule and the tech guys will enforce it, they have to otherwise its grounds for a protest under fia rules
So,it makes you wonder how,if they know nothing about drag racing,can they be deciding what works and what doesn't work for the sport of drag racing?the UK tech guys then toured the pits making a list of those with and those without, TBH most cars already have them in TMD TMFC TF PS and a lot in PM but we were all warned, Not one of the british cars have them except mine iv been told bert has ordered some already call Mark or Geoff
the final process is ratifuication at the fia world council meeting in december, it is a rubber stamp deal as you can imagine no one on the fia world council knows anything about drag racing, so whatever the commision recomend gets rubber stamped,
dont take my word ask the uk tech guys
the MSA take their rules from the FIA if they diddnt and the msa rules are different then msa cars cant run FIA meetings, msa cars are no longer pro mod cars if they dont comply so of cource the msa will take the rule and the tech guys will enforce it, they have to otherwise its grounds for a protest under fia rules
I certainly know that carbon brakes don't work until they're warm. Hence the carbon braked F1 cars and Moto GP bikes having a WARM up lap,that WARMS up the brakes and tyres before they go careering down the track. Maybe we'll have to have a once around Wellingboro warm up lap before going down the track?
Will the FIA be paying for my car to be repaired when it's wrapped around the wall when the carbon brakes don't work until it's too late?
Are the tech guys running down the track with a ton of money and time invested in a car,or are we?
no your missing the point the fia drag racing comission make or recomend the rules and with graham Light from the NHRA and all the others they were drag racing while we were still in nappies,
its just the world council who probably dont care so much lets face it FIA is F1 and world rally cross and the johnnie come latley touring cars our sport is a dumbass american sport that the gentlemen at the fia dont get,
I totaly dont agree about the carbon brakes, in drag cars they just plain work as iv previously said i now still only have a car because of them, shure they need to warm up with 2700 lbs at 220 it takes about a milisecond iv seen first hand what happens when you get a total chute failer with steel brakes with the normal drag brakes you get so much heat it melts the rubber seals and the calipers burst, they you loose all braking ask Danny Cockerill
IU know the brake system on your car is not the normal drag car set up and is probably way more efficiant
but the rules can never be made to fit 1 car,
i dont beleive the rule is nessacary enough to mandate them for our domestic series, theres a big difference between 210 and 230/245 that the fastest FIA cars are running this is seen as a saftey rule and you will never argue that steel brakes are as good as carbon, wether thats true or not ultimatly iv no idea but thats a fact as far as the lightweight drag brake systems go comparing like for like carbon offers shorter stopping with less damaging heat,
the rule is here to stay
its time to stop moaning and deciede what we are going to do about it as far as UK racing goes,
its just the world council who probably dont care so much lets face it FIA is F1 and world rally cross and the johnnie come latley touring cars our sport is a dumbass american sport that the gentlemen at the fia dont get,
I totaly dont agree about the carbon brakes, in drag cars they just plain work as iv previously said i now still only have a car because of them, shure they need to warm up with 2700 lbs at 220 it takes about a milisecond iv seen first hand what happens when you get a total chute failer with steel brakes with the normal drag brakes you get so much heat it melts the rubber seals and the calipers burst, they you loose all braking ask Danny Cockerill
IU know the brake system on your car is not the normal drag car set up and is probably way more efficiant
but the rules can never be made to fit 1 car,
i dont beleive the rule is nessacary enough to mandate them for our domestic series, theres a big difference between 210 and 230/245 that the fastest FIA cars are running this is seen as a saftey rule and you will never argue that steel brakes are as good as carbon, wether thats true or not ultimatly iv no idea but thats a fact as far as the lightweight drag brake systems go comparing like for like carbon offers shorter stopping with less damaging heat,
the rule is here to stay
its time to stop moaning and deciede what we are going to do about it as far as UK racing goes,
Edited by wicked fish on Wednesday 22 June 09:08
All this rule change stuff is just part and parcel of competitive motorsport is it not? As far as the FIA goes, the way I see it is another one of those catch 22 situations - if we want the sport to progress and be taken seriously, unfortunately we have to let the FIA (as the most "prestigious" of the governing bodies) to pick up the ball and run with it, and I guess that means adhering to their rules, whether they make sense or not. It's no different to what they do with all the other series', Formula 1 have had to ditch the special engine maps and fancy diffuser stuff they've probably spent millions on, Touring Cars get weight added or taken away seemingly on a weekly basis sometimes, WRC have had a complete new set of rules virtually from scratch this year etc etc. I don't suppose the FIA gave a toss how much that cost any of them either, they're there to govern motorsport, not worry about people's budgets unfortunately. Yeah I know that in the FIA pond drag racing are the minnows but when they're laying down rules and regulations for what are in theory "pro classes" I can't imagine money factors in to many scenarios. I'm not suggesting I agree with it but that's just the way it goes isn't it?
Now that's not to suggest that there isn't room for the domestic championship to move away from the rules a bit (screw blowers, twin plug heads and lock up clutches anyone?!?
), but then people have to accept that they can't then run in the FIA series too.
Now that's not to suggest that there isn't room for the domestic championship to move away from the rules a bit (screw blowers, twin plug heads and lock up clutches anyone?!?
), but then people have to accept that they can't then run in the FIA series too.Gassing Station | Drag Racing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff