Just how bad will E36 be in the snow?
Just how bad will E36 be in the snow?
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SD1992

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7,278 posts

189 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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Was chatting to my mates last night about what car I was going to buy next, and I pointed out a really nice E36 in the car park. Every single one of them said "oh don't get one of those, you won't be going anywhere in the snow".

I have heard from many people that BMWs are awful in the snow, but just how bad are they?

I remember people telling me that my Mondeo would get nowhere because of its wide tyres, and it never got stuck once.

Surely a couple of sand bags or concrete blocks in the boot would help a bit in the winter months?

Podie

46,649 posts

306 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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It's all down to tyres.

Winter tyres and you'll be fine.

sparks_E39

12,738 posts

244 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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The E39 is terrible.

Targarama

14,789 posts

314 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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My brother's E36 318is is really bad in snow. However, last winter we fitted a set of Vredestien Quadtrac 3s. It was nigh-on invincible on them, and they're all-season not full-on winter tyres. He is running them now and they're fine too. I have the same tyres on our Golf GTi MKV and I can feel they're not quite and good at full-on roundabout cornering in the summer as Continental Sport Contacts, but no big deal (I have the TVR for that kind of driving).

SD1992

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7,278 posts

189 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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How much were they Quadtracks?

I seem to remember I put Vredstien tyres on my Astra a couple of years ago and it was brilliant.

nottyash

4,671 posts

226 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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sparks_E39 said:
The E39 is terrible.
yes

Jw Vw

4,925 posts

194 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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Don't think it would be terrible. Just stick some winter tyres on it and you'll be fine. Are these cars really that tail happy?

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

257 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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sparks_E39 said:
The E39 is terrible.
Is it, hell.

Set of Avon Ice Tourings on mine and it was like driving in the wet.

Ecurie Ecosse

4,812 posts

249 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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Podie said:
It's all down to tyres.

Winter tyres and you'll be fine.
Indeed. On normal tyres, my 123d wouldn't move at all in the snow. With Vredstein Snowtracs on it would happily go almost everywhere my Range Rover would go.

Got to watch for snow drifts with the front bumper though smile

4rephill

5,171 posts

209 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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Podie said:
It's all down to tyres.

Winter tyres and you'll be fine.
Add Me to those endorsing this statement.

Winter tyres are not only designed to work better when there's snow though, they're designed to work properly any time the temperature drops below 7°C.
This is because the rubber compound used in winter tyres is much softer than summer tyres so when the temperature drops below 7°C, they remain flexible and able to grip.
Summer tyres on the other hand become extremely rigid and inflexible so they get a lot less grip below 7°C.

The winter tyres will also have a different tread pattern designed to cope better with snow.


Ideally owners need to change to winter tyres when the temperature drops below 7°C but the problem can be that you either need a second set of wheels with the winter tyres already mounted or you need to have your summer tyres taken off your wheel rims and winter tyres then fitted to them.

In both instances you need somewhere to store the extra set of tyres/wheels, which can take up a lot of room.

Pretty much every BMW (or any other car for that matter, be it rear wheel drive, front wheel drive or even four wheel drive), that you see in winter spinning it's wheels and going nowhere will be because they're on the wrong tyres.

BliarOut

72,863 posts

270 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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nottyash said:
sparks_E39 said:
The E39 is terrible.
yes
I was sat in mine and it randomly fell off the camber of the road. I wasn't even moving at the time... yes

SD1992

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7,278 posts

189 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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I didn't have winter tyres on my Mondeo this year though, and I never had any problems just driving very carefully, being light on the pedals, and taking much longer to brake.

I assume this will not work on a BMW just with decent normal tyres?

BliarOut

72,863 posts

270 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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The problem seems to be that the slush box wants to crawl at 5MPH when you try to do 2.5, hence much fun with the brakes on and the back end trying to drive all at the same time.

SD1992

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189 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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BliarOut said:
The problem seems to be that the slush box wants to crawl at 5MPH when you try to do 2.5, hence much fun with the brakes on and the back end trying to drive all at the same time.
I would get a manual, so no problems there smile

I remember my mate's automatic Astra was hopeless in the snow, when he put in in drive it would just sit there and spin!

smn159

16,089 posts

248 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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SD1992 said:
I didn't have winter tyres on my Mondeo this year though, and I never had any problems just driving very carefully, being light on the pedals, and taking much longer to brake.

I assume this will not work on a BMW just with decent normal tyres?
As I understand it front wheel drive works better in snow as the weight is over the driven wheels, improving traction.



forsure

2,255 posts

299 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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CommanderJameson said:
sparks_E39 said:
The E39 is terrible.
Is it, hell.

Set of Avon Ice Tourings on mine and it was like driving in the wet.

Couple of big paving slabs in the boot of mine did the trick - pulled away from following fwds on a steep hill in fresh thick snow last winter.
Did a sixty mile round trip that night in Dec'09 when it all came down - no problems.

SD1992

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189 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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smn159 said:
As I understand it front wheel drive works better in snow as the weight is over the driven wheels, improving traction.
Yeah, so could you not just put some extra weight in the boot of the BMW?

SteA

251 posts

257 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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I have an E36 M3 Evo, I drove most days over the winter including daily journeys from Shropshire to Manchester with no problems except other crap drivers smile I actually have a set of winter tyres in the shed, as my old 200sx did struggle a bit in the snow, I didn't get round to fitting them to the E36 and as it turned out I didn't need to. As a reference point, it was a lot more capable than our 07 Audi TT, now that I should have fitted the winter tyres to wink

Targarama

14,789 posts

314 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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SD1992 said:
How much were they Quadtracks?

I seem to remember I put Vredstien tyres on my Astra a couple of years ago and it was brilliant.
About the same as normal tyres. Just get them bought before December when prices shoot up. I buy from mytyres.co.uk

MarkwG

5,935 posts

220 months

Sunday 26th June 2011
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SteA said:
I have an E36 M3 Evo, I drove most days over the winter including daily journeys from Shropshire to Manchester with no problems except other crap drivers smile I actually have a set of winter tyres in the shed, as my old 200sx did struggle a bit in the snow, I didn't get round to fitting them to the E36 and as it turned out I didn't need to. As a reference point, it was a lot more capable than our 07 Audi TT, now that I should have fitted the winter tyres to wink
same here + with a bit of common sense/discretion the e39 was fine, as well...