No Claims Bonus - Expat Advice Needed
No Claims Bonus - Expat Advice Needed
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Toobin

Original Poster:

1,222 posts

263 months

Tuesday 28th June 2011
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I've been living in Hong Kong for close to two years which is close to the the time my full no claims in the UK will expire.

Does anyone know a good way to keep hold of them?

Buying a car is not really an option, no-where to keep one in the UK and definitely no space in HK biggrin

Toobin

Original Poster:

1,222 posts

263 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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anyone?

Bill

58,641 posts

284 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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I think the only way is to buy a car and keep it insured. You could pay to store it somewhere, depending on what your NCB was worth to you.

Nick3point2

3,920 posts

209 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Take out a second policy on a family members car; it's not illegal to have 2 insurance policies on the same car, you just can't claim on both for the same thing.

Doofus

34,355 posts

202 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Nick3point2 said:
Take out a second policy on a family members car; it's not illegal to have 2 insurance policies on the same car, you just can't claim on both for the same thing.
You won't be able to claim on either.

Mattt

16,664 posts

247 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Doofus said:
You won't be able to claim on either.
Why? The insurers would split the bill surely?

Or do you mean he won't have an insurable interest on the car?

alephnull

359 posts

204 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Mattt said:
Why? The insurers would split the bill surely?
They 'own' the car if its a write off. If you had two insurance policies, which company gets the written off car? I assume they are after scrap value.

Ean218

2,044 posts

279 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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alephnull said:
They 'own' the car if its a write off. If you had two insurance policies, which company gets the written off car? I assume they are after scrap value.
No, they only own the car after the owner agrees the value and sells it to the insurer. It does not automatically belong to the insurers just because they decide it's value is less than the repair cost.

In this case the facts of the event that caused the damage would determine which, if any, insurer carried the can.

Stu3500

101 posts

214 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Sorry, You loose your NCB after a certain time if you have no insured cars?

Mattt

16,664 posts

247 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Stu3500 said:
Sorry, You loose your NCB after a certain time if you have no insured cars?
2 years iirc.

The Moose

23,677 posts

238 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Buy a real cheap piece of st (£100), chuck it in a lockup in the middle of a rural area (£30-£40 a month) and insure it.

I take it you're planning on returning to the UK sometime soon. If it's just in case then is it feasible.

Other than that - I don't see much else you could do?

Cheers

The Moose

Stu3500

101 posts

214 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Bugger! Better get another car bought.

Mattt

16,664 posts

247 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Also, a lot of insurers require you to be UK resident, which can make things awkward.

Doofus

34,355 posts

202 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Mattt said:
Doofus said:
You won't be able to claim on either.
Why? The insurers would split the bill surely?

Or do you mean he won't have an insurable interest on the car?
You cannot insure the same risk twice. As soon as one insurer discovers that another has covered the risk, they'll refuse to pay out at all.

You could also find yourself liable to accusations of fraud or attempted fraud, if it was beleived that you intended to claim twice.

Toobin

Original Poster:

1,222 posts

263 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Mattt said:
Also, a lot of insurers require you to be UK resident, which can make things awkward.
Yes this is a problem

Toobin

Original Poster:

1,222 posts

263 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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The Moose said:
Buy a real cheap piece of st (£100), chuck it in a lockup in the middle of a rural area (£30-£40 a month) and insure it.

I take it you're planning on returning to the UK sometime soon. If it's just in case then is it feasible.

Other than that - I don't see much else you could do?

Cheers

The Moose
Thanks Moose, yes the plan was to come back at somepoint but it may be another year or two. I wonder if the initial stake of 100 (assuming I couldn't pass on the piece of sh*$ to some unawares boy racer type) plus the 960 or so in rent would be a good enough saving against my increased insurance .... all is based on the assumption that I'll somehow be able to afford fuel in 2 years time in the UK biggrin

That said I will certainly look into this as an option though

Tom H

543 posts

216 months

Monday 4th July 2011
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Why not "buy" a car and insurer it (suggest through a broker) and then agree to pay the balance over the year. And should you decide that maybe that car wasn't for you (unexpected job opportunity in HK) and had to sell it. Make sure that they have all relevant paperwork (last lot of bonus, completed paperwork) etc. They then keep records and easy to access when you come back.

... Therefore another few years of it alive. Oh I think AVIVA except bonus from 3 years if valid reasoning.

Toobin

Original Poster:

1,222 posts

263 months

Tuesday 5th July 2011
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Tom H said:
Why not "buy" a car and insurer it (suggest through a broker) and then agree to pay the balance over the year. And should you decide that maybe that car wasn't for you (unexpected job opportunity in HK) and had to sell it. Make sure that they have all relevant paperwork (last lot of bonus, completed paperwork) etc. They then keep records and easy to access when you come back.

... Therefore another few years of it alive. Oh I think AVIVA except bonus from 3 years if valid reasoning.
Tom I like it! ... now to the classifieds .. what type of ferarri can I get for a 100 biggrin

phumy

5,827 posts

266 months

Tuesday 5th July 2011
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Toobin said:
Mattt said:
Also, a lot of insurers require you to be UK resident, which can make things awkward.
Yes this is a problem
Buying an old stter and insuring it does not get away from the fact that you are a Non Resident, im in the same boat. This is what i do now, my wife insures both her/"our" cars now and when i go home i just get her to add me onto the insurance for the time i am there, i.e. 2 or 3 weeks at a time, it works out much cheaper as its only 25gbp per time/per car. The insurance company will not touch me as a Non resident, or at least hers wont.

davidjpowell

18,690 posts

213 months

Tuesday 5th July 2011
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Doofus said:
You cannot insure the same risk twice. As soon as one insurer discovers that another has covered the risk, they'll refuse to pay out at all.

You could also find yourself liable to accusations of fraud or attempted fraud, if it was beleived that you intended to claim twice.
All he needs to do is to insure another car where he is not covered as a named driver etc. Consequently he has not insured the same risk twice, just the once. Some policy's do require OP to be registered keeper, not sure about the UK resident bit.

I'm not even sure that you can't insure the same risk twice. I think it can be done, but that the insurance companies cut the payout so you don't get paid twice. Used to the case lots of years ago. With some types of insurance its actually relatively easy to end up covered twice. eg phone cover also covered on contents.