Sealed driveway problem - HELP!
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Hi guys,
I recently cleaned and sealed a customers front drive for them using a good quality paving sealant and they are very happy with the results.
However,
Because the driveway is a on a slope down to the house, the customers have told me that it's like an ice rink when wet, and that a few people have already gone over on it in the rain, and they are worried about their parents when they visit.
Obviously, I feel like I have to help them find a solution, as they are now talking about completely ripping out their driveway just to sort this problem out.
I have called the supplier asking them for advice but they didnt have many ideas ( although they were as helpful as possible) and I cannot get any contact numbers from the packaging on the tins I used.
The customer suggested trying another coat of sealant mixed with a coat of sand/gravel type to make it more grippy, but I said that this might end up looking sh*t and that I wasnt sure it was a good idea!
I really don't want these people to have to remove their driveway as it will cost them a lot of £££ and although they have it, it's a big waste of money.
I'm guessing there must be peopple on here with sealed patios and drives with this problem, can anyone suggest anything? Thanks !
I recently cleaned and sealed a customers front drive for them using a good quality paving sealant and they are very happy with the results.
However,
Because the driveway is a on a slope down to the house, the customers have told me that it's like an ice rink when wet, and that a few people have already gone over on it in the rain, and they are worried about their parents when they visit.
Obviously, I feel like I have to help them find a solution, as they are now talking about completely ripping out their driveway just to sort this problem out.
I have called the supplier asking them for advice but they didnt have many ideas ( although they were as helpful as possible) and I cannot get any contact numbers from the packaging on the tins I used.
The customer suggested trying another coat of sealant mixed with a coat of sand/gravel type to make it more grippy, but I said that this might end up looking sh*t and that I wasnt sure it was a good idea!
I really don't want these people to have to remove their driveway as it will cost them a lot of £££ and although they have it, it's a big waste of money.
I'm guessing there must be peopple on here with sealed patios and drives with this problem, can anyone suggest anything? Thanks !
Post that question on here:
http://www.pavingexpert.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard....
You will get proper advice.
Edit: my mate owns his own block paving company, I will ask him tonight on what to do.
http://www.pavingexpert.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard....
You will get proper advice.
Edit: my mate owns his own block paving company, I will ask him tonight on what to do.
Apparently brick acid will not work but this will:
http://www.paintstripper.com/paramoseas1thixo.html
It's not to be messed around with as it's nasty stuff. This is information I'm passing on though, I have no idea if it's correct or not.
http://www.paintstripper.com/paramoseas1thixo.html
It's not to be messed around with as it's nasty stuff. This is information I'm passing on though, I have no idea if it's correct or not.
if you have sealed the driveway and it slopes towards the house - where does the rain water run to ? was it a blockpave ?
You can add sand and other small mineral in to sealants to help but this would be ineffective above the height of the mineral in icy conditions anyway.
my advice is blast the drive again and remove the sealant using a high pressure washer 2000psi job should do
You can add sand and other small mineral in to sealants to help but this would be ineffective above the height of the mineral in icy conditions anyway.
my advice is blast the drive again and remove the sealant using a high pressure washer 2000psi job should do
We do something like your customer is asking for at my work. It looks pretty OK really.
http://www.ennisprismo-trafficproducts.com/product...
It's pretty much ideal for things like driveways.
http://www.ennisprismo-trafficproducts.com/product...
It's pretty much ideal for things like driveways.
I have pattern imprinted concrete and i resealed it last year, It was a solvent based sealer. No way a pressure washer would remove it.
It was a bit slippy in the wet but it does weather and becomes less of a problem over time. Mixing kiln dried sand may help, but its difficult to know what the results would look like.
It was a bit slippy in the wet but it does weather and becomes less of a problem over time. Mixing kiln dried sand may help, but its difficult to know what the results would look like.
davepoth said:
We do something like your customer is asking for at my work. It looks pretty OK really.
http://www.ennisprismo-trafficproducts.com/product...
It's pretty much ideal for things like driveways.
Thanks for this, I will give them your website address to have a look at.http://www.ennisprismo-trafficproducts.com/product...
It's pretty much ideal for things like driveways.
eliot said:
I have pattern imprinted concrete and i resealed it last year, It was a solvent based sealer. No way a pressure washer would remove it.
It was a bit slippy in the wet but it does weather and becomes less of a problem over time. Mixing kiln dried sand may help, but its difficult to know what the results would look like.
Thanks for this info, I have a industrial 5000psi washer and there's no way it's coming off ( tried already!) It was a bit slippy in the wet but it does weather and becomes less of a problem over time. Mixing kiln dried sand may help, but its difficult to know what the results would look like.
I will pass on the fact that it gets less slippy with time, but to be honest the guy is so worried about his elderly parents falling over I think he just wants it sorted irrespective of cost...
Thanks for all the input..
I would have thought you are leaving yourself wide open if you don't find a solution.
Have you tried sand or soda blasting the surface to generate a key on the surface? Dependant on how much sealant is on the surface you may get away with just an attachment on your washer to do the job and it is not as aggressive.
Alternatively you may find a hot water washer is the tool to break the surface down.
Have you tried sand or soda blasting the surface to generate a key on the surface? Dependant on how much sealant is on the surface you may get away with just an attachment on your washer to do the job and it is not as aggressive.
Alternatively you may find a hot water washer is the tool to break the surface down.
Well the product manufacturer would be my first port of call and if they try to just shrug their shoulders and say not their problem, then I'd take legal action against them. Unless their instructions for use say something like, "use of this product may make your pathway too slippery to walk on" then they have a duty of care to fix the problem their product has caused. Don't take being fobbed off by them. Insist on speaking to people further up the food chain than the girlie who answers the phone. Start with Tech Manager and work on up till you get the result you want. There MUST be something that will remove this stuff and they'll know what it is. They may not want to tell you or it may be such a "dangerous" chemical that it's for pro's use only, in that case get them to come and remove the product, but there must nbe something that will take it off.
Second course, if as others have said it's a temporary problem and weathering will get rid of the slipperiness in time, then short term I'd just throw a buckeful of silver sand down and brush it over the sruface on a regualr basis esp when the old folk are visiting.
Thirdly what the heck is this stuff so no-one else makes the same mistake?
Second course, if as others have said it's a temporary problem and weathering will get rid of the slipperiness in time, then short term I'd just throw a buckeful of silver sand down and brush it over the sruface on a regualr basis esp when the old folk are visiting.
Thirdly what the heck is this stuff so no-one else makes the same mistake?
The only thing that attacks my sealer is a zylene based solvent I use for cleaning oily bits under the bonnet.
This stuff: http://www.astralcsl.com/product.do?product=38313
This stuff: http://www.astralcsl.com/product.do?product=38313
zollburgers said:
mrmaggit said:
I've just been on another thread on here about sealers, and lo and behold, another set of problems with sealer that the manufacturer wants to walk away from, hence the roll-eyes smilie.
Maybe I should have typed "here we go again" or, "oh no, another one".
eliot said:
I have pattern imprinted concrete and i resealed it last year, It was a solvent based sealer. No way a pressure washer would remove it.
It was a bit slippy in the wet but it does weather and becomes less of a problem over time. Mixing kiln dried sand may help, but its difficult to know what the results would look like.
I also have a imprinted concrete drive but mine is need of resealing. Any advice on which sealer is best and how easy is it to apply? All advice appreciated as I have never done this before and don't want to mess it up. ThanksIt was a bit slippy in the wet but it does weather and becomes less of a problem over time. Mixing kiln dried sand may help, but its difficult to know what the results would look like.
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