Can PH help - SHOWER PUMP HELP NEEDED
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I am having my bathroom re done in Aug, and due to having a gravity fed water supply it get a crap shower. So talking to a mate and the best way to get a good shower is by having a shower pump, which would go int he loft and feed hot and cold from my tanks in the loft. .
Now I have looked at other ways of getting a better water supply and I AM going this route.
So info needed: I was suggested to look at GRUNDFOS AMAZON 4.0 BAR NEGATIVE HEAD TWIN IMPELLER SHOWER PUMP.
What other makes are worth looking at? and for the extra money will I notice the difference between 3 bar and 4 bar in my shower? Do I need up to 4 Bar? i'm used to having to move the shower around just to get my head wet at the moment.
And please i'm no plumber so be gentle with your reply's
cheers again
Now I have looked at other ways of getting a better water supply and I AM going this route.
So info needed: I was suggested to look at GRUNDFOS AMAZON 4.0 BAR NEGATIVE HEAD TWIN IMPELLER SHOWER PUMP.
What other makes are worth looking at? and for the extra money will I notice the difference between 3 bar and 4 bar in my shower? Do I need up to 4 Bar? i'm used to having to move the shower around just to get my head wet at the moment.
And please i'm no plumber so be gentle with your reply's
cheers again
Shower pumps are never a great idea in the loft. Unless you have a warm roof, it will need insulating to prevent freezing BUT will also need ventilating to prevent overheating. How high are the tanks? They will need to be above the pump to allow it to self bleed it's cold. Shower pumps also have a habit of leaking every now and then... 4 Bar is plenty for a shower with a single outlet. 3 is plenty, to be honest, but make sure the FLOWRATE is suitable if you have bodyjets or the like.
We put shower pumps in lofts regularly. Normally as part of an Aqualisa shower setup, but we've never had any issues. Insulate the pipes just like any pipes in the loft and you should be fine.
You may want to base the pump on a shock absorbing matting or similar to reduce the chance of it vibrating throughout the house while on.
For a standard shower handset, 3 bar will do fine for a powerful shower. To be honest, you could also happily use a 1.5 bar pump for a good shower. This all depends on how powerful you like your drenching.
If you've a rain head or body jets as mentioned go for a 3 bar plus. But I'd say 4 would be overkill unless you're shower requires that much pressure.
You may want to base the pump on a shock absorbing matting or similar to reduce the chance of it vibrating throughout the house while on.
For a standard shower handset, 3 bar will do fine for a powerful shower. To be honest, you could also happily use a 1.5 bar pump for a good shower. This all depends on how powerful you like your drenching.
If you've a rain head or body jets as mentioned go for a 3 bar plus. But I'd say 4 would be overkill unless you're shower requires that much pressure.
I'd rather it be in the airing cupboard than in the loft, easier to keep your eye on it, as someone said, they can be prone to leaks.
I was quite impressed by a Salamander pump at a customer's house recently, it was very quiet and provided a forceful spray at the shower.
Make sure you use a dedicated supply for the hot water, a Surrey Flange is usually the easiest way of doing this.
Also, make sure you fit gate valves to the feeds to the pumps, although this may sound fairly obvious, a lot of installers don't do this and its a pain in the arse when it comes to maintenance.
I was quite impressed by a Salamander pump at a customer's house recently, it was very quiet and provided a forceful spray at the shower.
Make sure you use a dedicated supply for the hot water, a Surrey Flange is usually the easiest way of doing this.
Also, make sure you fit gate valves to the feeds to the pumps, although this may sound fairly obvious, a lot of installers don't do this and its a pain in the arse when it comes to maintenance.
te so tank was emptying quicker than main could fill,had to install extra tanks.Just as a point of information..
Should you have a problem with a Salamander Pump they will send an engineer to attend who will inspect the installation. Should it not comply with their installation instructions you will be charged, in my experience. This may sound fair enough, and indeed it probably is, but bear in mind that the instructions will include such items as the amount of stored water per bath or shower (so 50 gallons is unlikely to be enough), position of ballvalve in tank compared to the tank connectors quite apart from the method of supplying hot which will most likely be an approved flange.
Should you have a problem with a Salamander Pump they will send an engineer to attend who will inspect the installation. Should it not comply with their installation instructions you will be charged, in my experience. This may sound fair enough, and indeed it probably is, but bear in mind that the instructions will include such items as the amount of stored water per bath or shower (so 50 gallons is unlikely to be enough), position of ballvalve in tank compared to the tank connectors quite apart from the method of supplying hot which will most likely be an approved flange.
I think Salamander and Stuart Turner have both got very good reputations, but they don't come cheap. I'm after a 3 bar Stuart Turner Monsoon pump myself to boost the water supply to a kitchen tap a fair way from the tank. Even second hand ones seem to go for about £100, new are £300 upwards.
Stuart turner are good. All the important bits seem to be made from metal, but you pay the premium.
We had a customer a while back who's pump broke. I think we fitted 3 different brands before we found one he liked the noise level of. I think it was a Stuart Tuner Monsoon pump that he went with.
We had a customer a while back who's pump broke. I think we fitted 3 different brands before we found one he liked the noise level of. I think it was a Stuart Tuner Monsoon pump that he went with.
fourfoldroot said:
Have a look at the Aqualisa Quartz Digital,these fit under the shower tray and are very easy to plumb in although you may need a larger cold water tank. Do not fit one if you have teenage kids that take 40 minute showers. They also have a 5 year warranty.
This is what I have, excellent and an easy DIY fit if you can do plumbing. One box does everything: cold in, hot in, mixed out, and all push fit just to wind up the likes of Mr Jackson 
My pump is in the roof just above the shower but it did freeze up in very cold weather; I now have an old sleeping bag over it.
Simpo Two said:
This is what I have, excellent and an easy DIY fit if you can do plumbing. One box does everything: cold in, hot in, mixed out, and all push fit just to wind up the likes of Mr Jackson
My pump is in the roof just above the shower but it did freeze up in very cold weather; I now have an old sleeping bag over it.
They do say that being in a loft would be the best location for ease and speed of fitting (as long as you have top entry shower). But to lag all pipes....but not to cover the unit. We try not to locate the unit right in the eves, and have never had problems, but I could see how they might.My pump is in the roof just above the shower but it did freeze up in very cold weather; I now have an old sleeping bag over it.
Gingerbread Man said:
They do say that being in a loft would be the best location for ease and speed of fitting (as long as you have top entry shower). But to lag all pipes....but not to cover the unit. We try not to locate the unit right in the eves, and have never had problems, but I could see how they might.
That was another great thing about it - with the water coming straight in from above, there was no need to start destroying walls to run pipes. Brilliant. It's also one of very few showers that feels as solid as it looks.We have a Salamander 1.5 bar and it is fine for a normal shower.
The previous Salamander failed after 18 months, but the engineer checked it, found the fault and we got a free replacement. This was even though it was not installed with an Essex flange (ooo..errrrr) so some engineers are not 100% strict about the installation.
I'd say 4 bar was overkill and could empty your water tank very quickly.
The previous Salamander failed after 18 months, but the engineer checked it, found the fault and we got a free replacement. This was even though it was not installed with an Essex flange (ooo..errrrr) so some engineers are not 100% strict about the installation.
I'd say 4 bar was overkill and could empty your water tank very quickly.
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