Image sizes and cropping
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Seany88

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Friday 1st July 2011
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After a bit of direction really. I don't often crop my pictures, but when I do I'm never sure what aspect ratio to maintain, and how it is 'seen'. What is the general consensus? If its a series of images then I'd imagine most people would expect all of them to be the same size so would you scale it back up to original size?

Is it convention to keep as many images as possible with the same size?

RobDickinson

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Friday 1st July 2011
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Scale it up?

Usually for anything web 1000px or perhaps 1200px on its longest edge, whatever that edge is, though I mostly limit portrait orientation pics to 900.

I crop whatever suits the image, but mostly stick to about 4:3, 16:9 or square.

(panoramics excluded).


eg a 7d shot is 5500x3500. I may crop this to 4000x2000 or something but I then downsize it to 1200x900 (or whatever keeps the aspect ratio).


Seany88

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Friday 1st July 2011
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RobDickinson said:
Scale it up?

Usually for anything web 1000px or perhaps 1200px on its longest edge, whatever that edge is, though I mostly limit portrait orientation pics to 900.

I crop whatever suits the image, but mostly stick to about 4:3, 16:9 or square.

(panoramics excluded).


eg a 7d shot is 5500x3500. I may crop this to 4000x2000 or something but I then downsize it to 1200x900 (or whatever keeps the aspect ratio).
And how do you personally do it? Free transform or by specifying the size you want first and then adjusting the framing to match?

RobDickinson

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Friday 1st July 2011
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Not free transform!

I use the crop tool in photoshop (cs5).

I either do it by hand (often guided by the rule of 3rds lines) or I key on a 'size' into the crop box of 16:9 or 4:3 or whatever.


Nick Grant

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Friday 1st July 2011
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I do the same as Rob smile

mcflurry

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Friday 1st July 2011
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Nick Grant said:
I do the same as Rob smile
Same here. Free transform can make images look "odd", (unless it planned that way, or for a layer match etc)

Simpo Two

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Friday 1st July 2011
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I use any aspect ratio that suits the image, but bear in mind that if you plan to frame them and depart from available proportions, you'll need to get a mount cut and/or a frame custom-made (not cheap).

Seany88

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Thursday 7th July 2011
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RobDickinson said:
Scale it up?

Usually for anything web 1000px or perhaps 1200px on its longest edge, whatever that edge is, though I mostly limit portrait orientation pics to 900.

I crop whatever suits the image, but mostly stick to about 4:3, 16:9 or square.

(panoramics excluded).


eg a 7d shot is 5500x3500. I may crop this to 4000x2000 or something but I then downsize it to 1200x900 (or whatever keeps the aspect ratio).
Ok been playing about with this a little over the past few days. Why is 1000 or 12000 pixels chosen? Is it because pages will render correctly in most screens at that size and also it compacts the file size so it will load quicker?

flat-planedCrank

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Thursday 7th July 2011
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Seany88 said:
RobDickinson said:
Scale it up?

Usually for anything web 1000px or perhaps 1200px on its longest edge, whatever that edge is, though I mostly limit portrait orientation pics to 900.

I crop whatever suits the image, but mostly stick to about 4:3, 16:9 or square.

(panoramics excluded).


eg a 7d shot is 5500x3500. I may crop this to 4000x2000 or something but I then downsize it to 1200x900 (or whatever keeps the aspect ratio).
Ok been playing about with this a little over the past few days. Why is 1000 or 12000 pixels chosen? Is it because pages will render correctly in most screens at that size and also it compacts the file size so it will load quicker?
Without speaking directly for Rob smile...

I'd say you have a few factors to consider when sizing images for the web:

  • Usability : Most images on PH are scaled (by the forum) to 750px so that they are easily viewable on a range of screens. I'd say 1000px is probably the limit for this.
  • Filesize : If you are posting the images to your own site (or embeding them into a forum thread) then most people won't appreciate having to download a 2MB image - especially if they are on some sort of wireless-data-limited-deal-thingy. Its another reason to keep your images smaller and to compress them as much as possible (while retaining the quality you want). I'd try to keep the images to 100-200KB.
  • Security : If you want to protect your images as much as possible then posting lower resolution, compressed images will help with this. As others have often said, the only real way to protect your images is not to put then online at all - but putting that to one side, I've always favoured using smaller, compressed and subtly watermarked images over larger heavily watermarked options.

You have to balance these factors with how you image looks of course. Some images, such as landscapes, often lose some of their impact if they are seen as small images. Imo it's worth keeping some of those points in mind.


Hope this helps.

Simpo Two

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Thursday 7th July 2011
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Are we talking cropping or resizing here? Two different things.

Seany88

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Friday 8th July 2011
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Both!

Ok so I get the web side of things, now what about print wise? A recently did a track day and the files are only 800kb in size...but he says its good enough for canvas size prints. How is that possible?

Simpo Two

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Friday 8th July 2011
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Seany88 said:
Both!

Ok so I get the web side of things, now what about print wise? A recently did a track day and the files are only 800kb in size...but he says its good enough for canvas size prints. How is that possible?
What are the pixel dimesnsions? And why is it only 800Kb?


You can have canvas in any size but I presume you mean 30" x 20"?

Seany88

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Saturday 9th July 2011
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Simpo Two said:
What are the pixel dimesnsions? And why is it only 800Kb?


You can have canvas in any size but I presume you mean 30" x 20"?
Dimensions are 2464 x 1632. All the ones he gave me were 800kb and I think it was £20 for the CD!?!

He didn't specify the canvas size he was referring to (and I've not actually ever owned a canvas yet) but I assume so? Do you think it'll look ok?

Simpo Two

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Saturday 9th July 2011
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You've got just about enough pixels to stretch over 30"x20" (82dpi) but at only 800Kb I'd be concerned that you might see compression artefacts (though the canvas texture could help mask them). Seems like you get the mashed one for free, and if you want a decent one it's £20. But by saying it will be good enough for a 30x20, he's rather contradicting himself.

Seany88

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Monday 11th July 2011
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Simpo Two said:
You've got just about enough pixels to stretch over 30"x20" (82dpi) but at only 800Kb I'd be concerned that you might see compression artefacts (though the canvas texture could help mask them). Seems like you get the mashed one for free, and if you want a decent one it's £20. But by saying it will be good enough for a 30x20, he's rather contradicting himself.
No you misunderstand me Simpo, I paid the £20 for a set of 800kb pictures! frown

mcflurry

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Monday 11th July 2011
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maybe he meant 30 x 20 cms wink


Simpo Two

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Monday 11th July 2011
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Seany88 said:
No you misunderstand me Simpo, I paid the £20 for a set of 800kb pictures! frown
That's pathetic; go and ask for the hi-res one!

(if he still has it - I suspect not which is why he said you could print a field with 800Kb...)

Seany88

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Thursday 14th July 2011
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Simpo Two said:
That's pathetic; go and ask for the hi-res one!

(if he still has it - I suspect not which is why he said you could print a field with 800Kb...)
Tell me about it, I think MSV need a better tog at Cadwell...frown