Law Change - Registered Keepers liable for parking fines
Discussion
I just wrote to my MP on this. It would be good if more of us did imo:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/hone...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/caradvice/hone...
This is the easy way to write to your MP by email - http://www.writetothem.com/?keyword=write%20to%20y...
I just did so.
I just did so.
PurpleMoonlight said:
This is the consequence of far to many inconsiderate people abusing private parking conditions and then throwing any subsequent correspondence in the bin.
No, this is a consequence of the ever increasing unreasonableness of imposed contracts for parking.I shall be knocking on Nick Clegg's door on the morrow...
Do try to keep up with developments. This proposal has been in the Protection of Freedoms Bill since its publication. The Bill is currently making its stately way through Parliament. It's unlikely (IMHO) that the provision will be removed as it's seen as the counterpoint to the arguments about clamping ... which many on here have been demanding/supporting.
As I said at the time, be careful what you wish for. This sentiment applies too if you wish to do the proposal down. It might be replaced by something (much) worse.
Streaky
As I said at the time, be careful what you wish for. This sentiment applies too if you wish to do the proposal down. It might be replaced by something (much) worse.
Streaky
eldar said:
streaky said:
As I said at the time, be careful what you wish for. This sentiment applies too if you wish to do the proposal down. It might be replaced by something (much) worse.
Streaky
Give us a clue then, rather than just a scare. What is the alternative?Streaky
Streaky
streaky said:
I'm not a legislator. I don't know whether they have an alternative. Probably not, other than the current situation. But if they think one up, Sod's Law and Hutber's Law will combine and the horse will have humps on its back, belly and sides.
Streaky
Fair enough, Thought you had some specific 'ideas' Streaky
To be frank I'm with Streaky on this. Imo you will not stop this bill.
As someone mentioned the reason this is in because so many people have behaved like idiots, parked how they want, and thrown tickets away. It's not been worth the enforcement companies going throughthe courts.
If you want to lobby your MP, the best thing to do is to argue that they should legislate for the maximum amount of any charges to be legislated.
The way the legislation was written the last time I looked, the way I would operate a car park is to have clear signs that if any ticket fixed to car were not paid for the amount, say £40 or whatever the local street parking fine is, then the RK would be chased. The sign would also state the fee that would be charged the RK and it would be one worthwhile going to court for, how does a grand sound? It would be quite legal.
Even £400 would be worthwhile firing up the legal process.
That is what I would do, as landowners have a right to the peaceful and unhindered use of their property, and I would enforce without mercy.
As someone mentioned the reason this is in because so many people have behaved like idiots, parked how they want, and thrown tickets away. It's not been worth the enforcement companies going throughthe courts.
If you want to lobby your MP, the best thing to do is to argue that they should legislate for the maximum amount of any charges to be legislated.
The way the legislation was written the last time I looked, the way I would operate a car park is to have clear signs that if any ticket fixed to car were not paid for the amount, say £40 or whatever the local street parking fine is, then the RK would be chased. The sign would also state the fee that would be charged the RK and it would be one worthwhile going to court for, how does a grand sound? It would be quite legal.
Even £400 would be worthwhile firing up the legal process.
That is what I would do, as landowners have a right to the peaceful and unhindered use of their property, and I would enforce without mercy.
Breadvan73 said:
By Statute, if that's what Parliament decides. As Streaky says, this proposal has been in the Bill since its inception, and is put forward as a quid pro quo for the abolition of clamping on private land.
Why does the government need to appease these highway robbers...? It's the dodgy bandits who will gain from this, more than those who really need to protect their land.Remind me, did Scotland do this when they banned clamping..?
Absent a Statutory limitation on what a landowner may charge for parking, expect to see courts using the common law principles of penalty clauses to limit the amount recoverable by landowners to a reasonable sum. Excessive parking charges are a bad thing, but so too, I think, is the apparently widespread PH attitude that it is fine to help yourself to free parking on someone else's property.
The Bill has completed its Second Reading and is entering the Report Stage. The date for publication (of the report) has yet to be announced.
After that, there is the Third Reading in the lower House, before the Bill goes to the House of Peers for a similar set of stages.
Assuming the Lords do not mess it about too much, it is possible that it could receive the Royal Assent late this year, but that will more probably happen in early 2012.
Lobbying your MP will do little at this stage [no pun intended], it's really rather (too) late in the game.
Attempts to make a comparison with Scottish law are doomed to failure. Scotalnd's laws, like its peoples' dress [pun intended] sense, language and acceptance of defeat, have long been at variance with those of the more civilised countries to the South.
Streaky
After that, there is the Third Reading in the lower House, before the Bill goes to the House of Peers for a similar set of stages.
Assuming the Lords do not mess it about too much, it is possible that it could receive the Royal Assent late this year, but that will more probably happen in early 2012.
Lobbying your MP will do little at this stage [no pun intended], it's really rather (too) late in the game.
Attempts to make a comparison with Scottish law are doomed to failure. Scotalnd's laws, like its peoples' dress [pun intended] sense, language and acceptance of defeat, have long been at variance with those of the more civilised countries to the South.
Streaky
I'm hoping for the prompt creation of a Stat Instrument to set maximum reasonable charges.
Agree with breadvan73 that in the absence of a statutory limit the courts would eventually set levels based on common sense, but before that point is reached there would have been a lot of aggravation and heartache.
Agree with breadvan73 that in the absence of a statutory limit the courts would eventually set levels based on common sense, but before that point is reached there would have been a lot of aggravation and heartache.
You forget, this is just a financial penalty and there are no endorsements. If the registered keeper was not the driver then they can get their money back from them. If they cant then more fool them for allowing them to drive their car.
I suspect those that complain the most about this are the very same people that abuse the current system the most
I suspect those that complain the most about this are the very same people that abuse the current system the most
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