Why do they sound so good?
Why do they sound so good?
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lazyitus

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19,931 posts

295 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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As in the title really.

So - TVR's sound superb. But why. Its OK to say its because its a V8 or "its got no cats" etc but what is it thats making the majestic sound?

bridgdav

4,805 posts

277 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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Engine

Gotcoat

shadowninja

79,981 posts

311 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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I bet the big pipes leading out of the engine help...

crankedup

25,764 posts

272 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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Yep, all the ingredients are there and the rest is all in the pipes. Lovely.

dewi

34 posts

269 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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I was once told that it was the "expansion chambers" out of the manifold. Not that I know what that means!

Still, can't beat sitting at the lights and blipping the throttle to the delight of those pulled up along side!

zumbruk

7,848 posts

289 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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Essentially, all large capacity un(der)silenced V8s are the same. I live a few miles from Santa Pod, and the noises that come drifting on the wind are glorious!

ByronTVR

332 posts

313 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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Engine size and "Valve Overlap" maybe ?

Byron

FourWheelDrift

92,232 posts

313 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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It's all done with mirrors.

slikk

2,135 posts

272 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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Wearing an asbestos suit for this, but here goes.. .. ..IIRC its because a V8 produces sound waves at about 120 cycles per second, which is an optimum range for the human ear. But undoubtedly someone is going to know otherwise.

donatien

1,113 posts

287 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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slikk said:
Wearing an asbestos suit for this, but here goes.. .. ..IIRC its because a V8 produces sound waves at about 120 cycles per second, which is an optimum range for the human ear. But undoubtedly someone is going to know otherwise.


Depends on crank arrangement. Fezzas, Lotus and the AJP V8's all have a flat crank so they sound like 8 wasps farting until they come on song. The AJP is a bit odd in that it is not a 90 degree vee - forget the exact angle but someone here will know.

Rover V8 is a cross plane crank so sounds more meaty.

Either way with TVR's "They all do that sir"

Dave

Batty S4C

12,268 posts

279 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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donatien said:

slikk said:
Wearing an asbestos suit for this, but here goes.. .. ..IIRC its because a V8 produces sound waves at about 120 cycles per second, which is an optimum range for the human ear. But undoubtedly someone is going to know otherwise.



Depends on crank arrangement. Fezzas, Lotus and the AJP V8's all have a flat crank so they sound like 8 wasps farting until they come on song. The AJP is a bit odd in that it is not a 90 degree vee - forget the exact angle but someone here will know.

Rover V8 is a cross plane crank so sounds more meaty.

Either way with TVR's "They all do that sir"

Dave

even with the old V6 motors?
cuz they sound luverly (as mentioned in evo they do sound rather like a V8)
??

donatien

1,113 posts

287 months

Wednesday 2nd June 2004
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Probably a comparison between old un-catted V6's and newer V8's with cats.

A high capacity V8 will never have any equal for sounds. One of the reasons the Rover V8 sounds so good even in low capacities (3.5 or 4.0) is due to the near-pyramidical motion of the piston motions. Why this translates to noise I don't know.

There, I've even lost myself. Heard it said somewhere and it sounds good to me - as does a decent Rover V8

Night all

Dave

edited - I know pistons can't move that way but the way the crank pin moves is a sort of pyramid.


>> Edited by donatien on Wednesday 2nd June 22:43

yellabelly

2,258 posts

282 months

Thursday 3rd June 2004
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I think that the rotational motion of the crank "pin" or Journal describes a circle, having a fixed point of rotation (the journal bearing centre line) limits this to the said circular motion. Now for a pyramidic path of rotation that sounds nigh on impossible unless you have a wankel (hurriedly checks spelling)



>> Edited by yellabelly on Thursday 3rd June 01:57

burriana500

16,556 posts

283 months

Thursday 3rd June 2004
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Also something to do with the firing order, why an 8 will nearly always sound better than a 6 or 10.

So, in summary, all sorts of things make it sound nice, but above all others, mainly my right foot

IPAddis

2,511 posts

313 months

Thursday 3rd June 2004
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I'm sure it's not all V8s. You could stick a TVR exhaust on a Lexus (with copious Gaffa tape) and it would still sound rubbish (and handle like a jelly).

I think only having two valves per cylinder helps?

Ian A.

ccharlie6

773 posts

269 months

Thursday 3rd June 2004
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well i don't know about Tiv's but if you take le mans for example two cars with V8's the panoz and the audi, both sound hugely different (admittedly the audi has turbo's) but the panoz sounds like its ripping through the air and that engine is real old school 2 valves per cylinder and pushrods, where as the audi uses all mod cons (4 valves, direct injection etc) and sounds good but very smooth. [url]www.theratpac.com/videos/events/lemans_2003/RP_03lemans05.zip[/url]
I hope no one minds me putting that there but the panoz sounds great at the start

>> Edited by ccharlie6 on Thursday 3rd June 14:58

wedget

467 posts

268 months

Thursday 3rd June 2004
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My little 280 pops and bangs and thats just a capri engine it even pops when you just dab the throtle, it cant just be size that matters..oh er

lazyitus

Original Poster:

19,931 posts

295 months

Thursday 3rd June 2004
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Nice car in profile Wedget!

Reminds me of my first love when I had my Wedge.