Discussion
jackal said:
I was searching through the archives and it seems only 3 or 4 years ago Strads were fetching 130k+. Presuambly they took a big dent in the recession ? I remember seeing a TDF example up for mid to late 60's last year.
The mid 60s car was high mileage, ex P1 and in need of some work.Was one made in significantly less numbers than the other?
For me it would be stradale all the way, no real reason for that other than that it's one of the few cars that makes me swoon. I can't explain it? I was stood admiring a black enzo at the ring the other week & it was a lovely bit of kit but when a cs turned up it blew it away, can't explain why it just did?
Perfect looks, gorgeous interior, epic engine, I'll even forgive it the lack of manual gear change.
As an analogy you might understand sit a 996gt3rs next to a 997gt3rs. The newer car is better*, they always are, but look at the details on the older car & tell me it isn't more special. The carbon bonnet, full roll cage, polished rim wheels, I could go on.....
(*subjective I know)
Scuds are bloody impressive cars, but a cs is a jewel of a thing. Speaking to an owner after being taken out in one I casually remarked in awe of the thing "what on earth could you buy after this?", his reply was that if it ever came to it, it would be the last ever thing he'd sell before he went bankrupt.
For me it would be stradale all the way, no real reason for that other than that it's one of the few cars that makes me swoon. I can't explain it? I was stood admiring a black enzo at the ring the other week & it was a lovely bit of kit but when a cs turned up it blew it away, can't explain why it just did?
Perfect looks, gorgeous interior, epic engine, I'll even forgive it the lack of manual gear change.
As an analogy you might understand sit a 996gt3rs next to a 997gt3rs. The newer car is better*, they always are, but look at the details on the older car & tell me it isn't more special. The carbon bonnet, full roll cage, polished rim wheels, I could go on.....
(*subjective I know)
Scuds are bloody impressive cars, but a cs is a jewel of a thing. Speaking to an owner after being taken out in one I casually remarked in awe of the thing "what on earth could you buy after this?", his reply was that if it ever came to it, it would be the last ever thing he'd sell before he went bankrupt.
Geat question!
The CS was about £130k new in 2004 which must have ben a monumental cock up as a fully tricked up 360 spyder was about the same price so when you were ordering it seemed pretty brave to spend that much and not get carpets etc. I was looking at the number they sold and the CS enabled them to avoid the tail out in sales during the run out of the 360 so a great way to shift the last of a model.
However this experiment by Ferrari (charge more for less comfort) was a success as the CS was/is a great car to use on the track and on the road which with all this anti speeding etc is probably the best place to use a car like this. Porsche reacted the same with the 996 GT3 RS and then the Gallardo SL etc so a market for 'hardcore' supercars that were 'afordable' must have been created.
Ferrari came back with the F430Scud and took a better stab at the pricing as im sure they were well into the £180k's and interesting brought the scud out before the run out of the model it is based on? The 16M is the one that sticks out as its really holding its value well and of the CS, 430Scud and 16M id say the banker is the 16M as it ticks all the things you want in a car like that. I have a CS and I cant see it ever being worth more than a scud or a 16M.
I dont know about the Gallardo SL but ive always been astounded at the minimal loss the 996 GT3 RS takes. These 2004 cars were about 75k and they are fetching around 60k now!
Then there is the F40 or F50 debate........For the record Im F50.
The CS was about £130k new in 2004 which must have ben a monumental cock up as a fully tricked up 360 spyder was about the same price so when you were ordering it seemed pretty brave to spend that much and not get carpets etc. I was looking at the number they sold and the CS enabled them to avoid the tail out in sales during the run out of the 360 so a great way to shift the last of a model.
However this experiment by Ferrari (charge more for less comfort) was a success as the CS was/is a great car to use on the track and on the road which with all this anti speeding etc is probably the best place to use a car like this. Porsche reacted the same with the 996 GT3 RS and then the Gallardo SL etc so a market for 'hardcore' supercars that were 'afordable' must have been created.
Ferrari came back with the F430Scud and took a better stab at the pricing as im sure they were well into the £180k's and interesting brought the scud out before the run out of the model it is based on? The 16M is the one that sticks out as its really holding its value well and of the CS, 430Scud and 16M id say the banker is the 16M as it ticks all the things you want in a car like that. I have a CS and I cant see it ever being worth more than a scud or a 16M.
I dont know about the Gallardo SL but ive always been astounded at the minimal loss the 996 GT3 RS takes. These 2004 cars were about 75k and they are fetching around 60k now!
Then there is the F40 or F50 debate........For the record Im F50.
scuderia also seems to be more reliable and cheaper to run than a CS from stories ive read here on PH. Im sure this will also add to its future value. I think 16M seems to holding value well mainly because of the limited numbers and possibly because its still the flagship spider for Ferrari within that range. Would be interesting to see what would happen to prices of 16m once 458 spider is launched. Even though similar to the scuderia, I dont consider 16M as such a hardcore car as a true hardcore needs the additional pillars of a coupé.
nigelonich said:
Geat question!
The CS was about £130k new in 2004 which must have ben a monumental cock up as a fully tricked up 360 spyder was about the same price so when you were ordering it seemed pretty brave to spend that much and not get carpets etc. I was looking at the number they sold and the CS enabled them to avoid the tail out in sales during the run out of the 360 so a great way to shift the last of a model.
However this experiment by Ferrari (charge more for less comfort) was a success as the CS was/is a great car to use on the track and on the road which with all this anti speeding etc is probably the best place to use a car like this. Porsche reacted the same with the 996 GT3 RS and then the Gallardo SL etc so a market for 'hardcore' supercars that were 'afordable' must have been created.
Ferrari came back with the F430Scud and took a better stab at the pricing as im sure they were well into the £180k's and interesting brought the scud out before the run out of the model it is based on? The 16M is the one that sticks out as its really holding its value well and of the CS, 430Scud and 16M id say the banker is the 16M as it ticks all the things you want in a car like that. I have a CS and I cant see it ever being worth more than a scud or a 16M.
I dont know about the Gallardo SL but ive always been astounded at the minimal loss the 996 GT3 RS takes. These 2004 cars were about 75k and they are fetching around 60k now!
Then there is the F40 or F50 debate........For the record Im F50.
Base CS was £135,475 in 2004. Base Scud varied across 15%/ 17.5% VAT rates at either side of £170k. Clearly the options list was extended for the Scud which is why many were much more expensive.The CS was about £130k new in 2004 which must have ben a monumental cock up as a fully tricked up 360 spyder was about the same price so when you were ordering it seemed pretty brave to spend that much and not get carpets etc. I was looking at the number they sold and the CS enabled them to avoid the tail out in sales during the run out of the 360 so a great way to shift the last of a model.
However this experiment by Ferrari (charge more for less comfort) was a success as the CS was/is a great car to use on the track and on the road which with all this anti speeding etc is probably the best place to use a car like this. Porsche reacted the same with the 996 GT3 RS and then the Gallardo SL etc so a market for 'hardcore' supercars that were 'afordable' must have been created.
Ferrari came back with the F430Scud and took a better stab at the pricing as im sure they were well into the £180k's and interesting brought the scud out before the run out of the model it is based on? The 16M is the one that sticks out as its really holding its value well and of the CS, 430Scud and 16M id say the banker is the 16M as it ticks all the things you want in a car like that. I have a CS and I cant see it ever being worth more than a scud or a 16M.
I dont know about the Gallardo SL but ive always been astounded at the minimal loss the 996 GT3 RS takes. These 2004 cars were about 75k and they are fetching around 60k now!
Then there is the F40 or F50 debate........For the record Im F50.
In UK, CS came out in 2003 and production of 360M ended in summer 2004 and Scud came out in 2008 and production of 430 coupe ended in summer 2009 so no real difference here.
leeGT2 said:
scuderia also seems to be more reliable and cheaper to run than a CS from stories ive read here on PH. Im sure this will also add to its future value. I think 16M seems to holding value well mainly because of the limited numbers and possibly because its still the flagship spider for Ferrari within that range. Would be interesting to see what would happen to prices of 16m once 458 spider is launched. Even though similar to the scuderia, I dont consider 16M as such a hardcore car as a true hardcore needs the additional pillars of a coupé.
The 16M is earlier in its cycle than the Scuderia so its likely to fall a fair bit yet.As you say Lee its still the flagship spyder until we see the 458. Still dropped £20-£40k though, I think they were north of £200k new + the inevitable pricey options.CS started at £130k , dropped steadily down to maybe high £70s and is back to £100k again for a nice one. Scuderia will drop a little yet I think and they will be very similar for a while but if it follows the more established Porsche pattern there will always be a slight gap.
996GT3s were £85k new and a good one is nearly back to £70k again after briefly dropping to £50k. 997 GT3RS is not quite doing the same things but they are still mid £70s and more than the 996.
jackal said:
I was searching through the archives and it seems only 3 or 4 years ago Strads were fetching 130k+. Presuambly they took a big dent in the recession ? I remember seeing a TDF example up for mid to late 60's last year.
At that time 2007/08 I paid Bob Houghton £102,000 for a mint rosso corsa 2004 stradale, with circa 4k miles on. Prices have hardly moved on them since then.Gassing Station | Supercar General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff