SEAT DSG Paddles - Are they in the wrong position?!
SEAT DSG Paddles - Are they in the wrong position?!
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wittzi

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28 posts

185 months

Sunday 31st July 2011
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I recently bought a new SEAT Leon FR 170 (DSG) and was impressed with the gearbox. The changes are smooth and snappy and to be honest, when driving normally (company miles) I just chuck it in drive or sports mode which is easy.

However, now that I've thrown a few miles on it and had it for a month I decided to 'push' the car through some quality B roads (whilst sticking to the speed limit and being safe of course) in rural Gloucestershire and discovered a monumental flaw. The flippy paddles are fixed to the steering wheel, not the column behind the steering wheel.

Therefore, you need to try and find the damn things when you're going up or down the gears when (potentially) throwing the car into and out of corners instead of instinctively knowing where they are at all times. Am being a tit, or is this normal for flappy paddle cars?!

It just doesn't feel right.

The Black Flash

13,735 posts

228 months

Sunday 31st July 2011
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Sound like you might want to try fixed input steering? i.e. keeping your hands in the same place on the wheel, racing stylee.

wittzi

Original Poster:

28 posts

185 months

Sunday 31st July 2011
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Is that standard racing stylee then; fixed input?

If that's the case I guess I'll need to adjust and deal with it then!!!

Thanks!

nakulan7

116 posts

207 months

Sunday 31st July 2011
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Fixed hand position on the wheel is the way forward. Manage quite well with the shift buttons on the SLK 350.

Classic Grad 98

26,538 posts

190 months

Sunday 31st July 2011
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Wot they said. You won't be able to do this on tight radius corners but remember that the downshifts should be done in the braking zone anyway, and you will have wound some lock off by the time you need to shift up.

Olivera

8,777 posts

269 months

Sunday 31st July 2011
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Sounds like you are a wheel shuffler...

cuprabob

19,661 posts

244 months

Sunday 31st July 2011
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Remember you can also use the gearstick to nip up and down the gears when in "Manual" mode. I found it easier to use the gearstick in some occasions when it wasn't convenient to use the paddles

You can also get vastly overpriced Carbon or Aluminium extensions for the paddles to make them easier to find

wittzi

Original Poster:

28 posts

185 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Nice one, thanks guys. There are a few full on corners where I'll have to throw the wheel around but mostly I'll hold of the wheel as you've suggested.

Still feels weird (buttons on the Merc for example sounds more sensible) but I'll certainly change my driving style.

MagicalTrevor

6,481 posts

259 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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As has already been said, you ought to be completing all your gear changes before you start turning. By changing gear mid corner you are unsettling the car which isn't too good for handling.
If you try and get into the habit of reading the road ahead and selecting the correct gear for the corner before turning then you'll find the car more composed and you'll be able to go round smoother and therefore quicker.

Most paddles are attached to the steering wheel rather than the column so this is normal btw.

wittzi

Original Poster:

28 posts

185 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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LOL - I'll not base my thinking on random driving habits and the fact that I noticed that the lamborghini aventador had them in fixed position! ;-)

Note to self: You're driving a family hatch! tongue out

PaulG40

2,381 posts

255 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Don't know about yours but we've flappy paddles on the smart roadster and while fast driving is fine, wiv them being fairly small, I find it while at junctions stood still with the wheel turned ready or just pulling away on a right turn or left, you tend to lose which paddle is what. Same with approaching a t junction that you bend into, in 2nd gear and as you are just about stil attempt 1st ready for going again, I tend to have abit of a kerfuffle! Lol

MagicalTrevor

6,481 posts

259 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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I guess the Aventador is the exception to the rule, I may be wrong of course;)

Markp13

422 posts

190 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Are the flappy paddles standard with the dsg box? I've seen the 170bhp Leon for as little as £265 a month which seems good value.

Do you rate the car?

wittzi

Original Poster:

28 posts

185 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Markp13 said:
Are the flappy paddles standard with the dsg box? I've seen the 170bhp Leon for as little as £265 a month which seems good value.

Do you rate the car?
As with anything there are pros and cons with the car. The first thing to say is that the FR+ is about to be released (update 12) which has loads of stuff as standard (media pack, etc ...) but is a little more expensive. They've also removed the FR embroidered logo from the seats. I like it, but they're trying to appeal to a wider audience by removing it.

As for the flappy paddles, I believe that they come with the DSG box (I didn't ask for it as an extra) but (cop out) I'd check with the dealer. On the sensible side, a lot of the time you wont be using them and the gearbox is generally very good but it is a but lurchy in the low gear range. It also seems desperate (when not in sports mode) to get to 6th gear, then when you encounter a hill it will throw you down into 3rd and as it's pretty quick you are catapulted forward! I love it but the missus is not so impressed!

Pros:

Handling is firm and you feel confident throwing it into corners
It's pretty quick
Very comfortable (leather pack)
Stereo / sat nav touch screen is responsive and has loads of features

Cons:

  • Not as quick as it looks (plus mine has the K1 pack so it needed that cupra 'ooomph' TBH!)
  • Not as economical as I'd hoped (45mpg on motorway). Just to qualify that, I KNOW it's a sporty little diesel but the previous Leon could get 50mpg.
  • Dash (media system aside) looks a bit rubbish
  • Speakers are Literally appalling and sat nav isn't full postcode search
However it's nice and quick, responsive, plenty of room and (the big one) it DOES put a smile on my face when I'm driving it which is all I can ask for really!!!! We were going to get [pauses before the confession] a KIA Sportage as we'll be considering having a family in the next few years but I figured the Leon FR was a good balance of having a little bit of fun whilst being reasonably practical and, well, what does my wife know!!!! wink

The dealership is useless though, so make sure all your comms are via email (so you can bring them up on stuff) and cane them on everything as they were completely unprofessional with pretty much every aspect of buying the car!

Let me know what you go for as I'd be interested to see what decision you make!

Markp13

422 posts

190 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Thanks for the full and honest review.

To be honest I am a fair bit away from making a choice as I am coming out of my company ca scheme and my current insignia has a good time left on it's contract.

Value for money the Leon comes up very well but a passat cc is maybe leading the charge at the minute. in gt spec. But that is a fair bit extra cash.

wittzi

Original Poster:

28 posts

185 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Markp13 said:
Value for money the Leon comes up very well but a passat cc is maybe leading the charge at the minute. in gt spec. But that is a fair bit extra cash.
Great minds obviously think alike! The Passat CC was one of the other cars we were interested in. We loved the shape of it and it drove really well, but the starting spec was really basic and like you say, to get the goodies that the SEAT had was literally another £4k-£5k which we weren't prepared to pay (I came out of our company car scheme as they started being really strict on CO2 emissions, insurance groups and you had to choose a car based on the OTR price which is unrealistic given that most people get a decent discount with most new cars)!

Tallbut Buxomly

12,254 posts

246 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Its also the case that they still dont for some unfathomable reason make paddles push pull.

IMHO paddles SHOULD be on the wheel and both should be push down pull up.

gavk

78 posts

248 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Evo has them fixed to steering column. I had thought they would be better fixed to steering wheel but have now got used to it and using the stick now and again

wittzi

Original Poster:

28 posts

185 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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Just watching a Top Gear re-run and the Maserati, Porche AND the Aston all had fixed-position paddles on the steering column.

Me thinks the better cars don't have them on the steering wheel ...

ajprice

33,389 posts

226 months

Sunday 14th August 2011
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Paddles on my smart are on the wheel, I only use the gearstick for slow corners/roundabouts between 1st and 2nd. The rest of the time is paddles all the way. Off on a tangent, which way around is the sequential shift on the gearstick? On mine its pull back for downshift and push away for upshift.