Dealers Clocking Cars!
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Lordbenny

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8,754 posts

248 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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I know this is probably a sensitive subject but ...here goes...

I have recently been told by a dealer that at least 25% of all pre-1st MOT dealer cars, demonstrators/part ex's etc have been 'clocked'. All dealers have a 'clocker' and that since the advent of analogue clocks it has become a cinch to do, a 'matter of minutes with a laptop'.

I'm not trolling here I just thought I'd ask you lot if he's talking bolcensoredlocks or is there truth in his claim?

Mr serge

197 posts

211 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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i have worked for 4 different dealers in my car selling day none of them did it.

Haighermeister

34,847 posts

189 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Mr serge said:
i have worked for 4 different dealers in my car selling day none of them did it.
Same.

It's really near on impossible to do. When we fit a new dash, we can't adjust the mileage at all, meaning the car starts back at 0 miles.

Nick3point2

3,920 posts

209 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Lordbenny said:
and that since the advent of analogue clocks it has become a cinch to do, a 'matter of minutes with a laptop'.
They have really come along if an analogue clock can be changed with a laptop, I'd have thought you'd use a drill like in the films.

jas xjr

11,309 posts

268 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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It was widely accepted that it was done , to varying standards , with analogue clocks .
Same people involved in the industry.

TallPaul

1,524 posts

287 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Whilst the advent of digital dashes has made it easier to misrepresent a cars mileage, it is pretty rare amongst the established traders. Its just not worth the risk to clock one (or more) vehicles for a bigger profit, most traders will just buy them in at the right price and then sell it on.
I have no doubt small traders with limited stock and people selling cars from home/side of the road would be much more likely to alter the mileage...

Efbe

9,251 posts

195 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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it's prob true tbh.

I have spoken to plenty of MOT testers who would agree with this, however for cars over 8 years this will probbo be significantly more.

thing is though, there is an argument to say that without clocking, then the used car industry would collapse. but I won't go into that here


turbolucie

3,473 posts

211 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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I don't know about cars at main dealers, but it goes on a lot in private and small traders. A lot more than you'd believe.

Lordbenny

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8,754 posts

248 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Whoops, I meant digital, sorry!

Dalto123

3,205 posts

192 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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I know its possible, I've seen it done before on a TV (demonstrating how easy it can be done), but Im sure dealers wouldnt.

Efbe

9,251 posts

195 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Haighermeister said:
Mr serge said:
i have worked for 4 different dealers in my car selling day none of them did it.
Same.

It's really near on impossible to do. When we fit a new dash, we can't adjust the mileage at all, meaning the car starts back at 0 miles.
so there isn't like a million companies willing to do this for you?

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=adjust+mileage+ca...

Edited by Efbe on Monday 1st August 21:45

milu

2,513 posts

295 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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From what I gather locally its often the owners( leasing) that do this to keep within the agreed mileage limit and avoid the penalty.
How many people really only do 8-10k miles in daily drivers?
£60 to get the mileage adjusted......personally I think it's not on.
How do you tell a 50k car from a 30k car at three years old?

Haighermeister

34,847 posts

189 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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anonymous said:
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Unfortunately I just sell cars, I don't fix them so can't explain why. Just going by the info I've been given.

peeves

390 posts

192 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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None of the dealers I know do it... I don't really think it would be worth it

Piepiepie

1,347 posts

183 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Ugh, that means my next car is going to be a repmobile with 150k on then biggrin

Efbe

9,251 posts

195 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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peeves said:
None of the dealers I know do it... I don't really think it would be worth it
it's not how much more they can sell the car for... it's how quickly they can sell it.

Monty Zoomer

1,459 posts

186 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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Dalto123 said:
I know its possible, I've seen it done before on a TV (demonstrating how easy it can be done), but Im sure dealers wouldnt.
rofl

waterwonder

1,002 posts

205 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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The dealers I worked in the past definitely didn't. I'm pretty sure anything they did on the mfr's equip meant it reset. That's not to say third party computers couldn't do it, but it's not really worth risking your reputation hiring in a third party 'clocker' - who by nature is not likely to be trust worthy.

Also I thought that anytime a car has a service???? or a MOT at a 'main' dealer the milage was recorded on the NMR so the most they could probably wind it back without looking dodgy is 10k probably more like 5. 20k absolute max On some cars but then the history would look a bit weird.

That's ignoring that they also try confirm it everytime a car changes keeper.

The only other benefit is they could then maybe avoid doing a service that was due - but how much is that at dealers cost?

Doubtless it goes on but to suggest it's rife is a bit far fetched. Franchised dealers almost certainly wouldn't risk it.

OdramaSwimLaden

1,971 posts

198 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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It's rife.

Maybe not in the bigger or more reputable dealers but I know for a fact it goes on, is very easy and more common than anyone cares to readily admit.

Lordbenny

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8,754 posts

248 months

Monday 1st August 2011
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OdramaSwimLaden said:
It's rife.

Maybe not in the bigger or more reputable dealers but I know for a fact it goes on, is very easy and more common than anyone cares to readily admit.
This is what I have been told, however, I was told that main dealers regularly use 'clockers'!