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Hi Guys,
Long time since I’ve posted. Basically I’m looking for a new car. I currently have a Honda Civic Type R on a 53 plate – love it to bits but is raping me on the petrol.
I’m looking at getting the Honda CRZ sport, I test drove one at the weekend and really liked it. I know it’s not as fast as the Type R but it’s a good drive and to be honest I’m more interested in making saving at the moment rather than out and out speed. I have got an odd driving pattern I do a lot of short journeys round town in the week but every other weekend do 400–500 miles. I was looking at getting a BMW 120d m sport but I’m just a little concerned with all the short journeys I do in the week could ruin the catalytic converter, particulate filter etc because I’ve heard diesels need to be warmed up more than petrol especially in the winter months
I was wondering what people’s opinions were? They have got a really good offer of 0% finance at Honda with four years warranty including parts and labour and 0% road tax. BMW have a rate of 7.0% APR so can’t match it. What do people think?
Also I was looking at getting a factory fitted Bluetooth handsfree kit and was wondering of people’s experience with the Honda kit or whether I should just get a after market parrot fitted?
Cheers,
James
Long time since I’ve posted. Basically I’m looking for a new car. I currently have a Honda Civic Type R on a 53 plate – love it to bits but is raping me on the petrol.
I’m looking at getting the Honda CRZ sport, I test drove one at the weekend and really liked it. I know it’s not as fast as the Type R but it’s a good drive and to be honest I’m more interested in making saving at the moment rather than out and out speed. I have got an odd driving pattern I do a lot of short journeys round town in the week but every other weekend do 400–500 miles. I was looking at getting a BMW 120d m sport but I’m just a little concerned with all the short journeys I do in the week could ruin the catalytic converter, particulate filter etc because I’ve heard diesels need to be warmed up more than petrol especially in the winter months
I was wondering what people’s opinions were? They have got a really good offer of 0% finance at Honda with four years warranty including parts and labour and 0% road tax. BMW have a rate of 7.0% APR so can’t match it. What do people think?
Also I was looking at getting a factory fitted Bluetooth handsfree kit and was wondering of people’s experience with the Honda kit or whether I should just get a after market parrot fitted?
Cheers,
James
Go for it! For what it is, I think the CR-Z is great fun to punt along and I'm surprised by the slightly luke warm reaction it got from most of the press.
However, going back to the diesels, I wouldn't worry too much about the DPFs and catalysts. Town running and short journeys do provide less opportunity to regen, it's true, but it shouldn't be a major issue unless there's an underlying problem or the car literally never leaves the city. If nothing else, the technicians should be doing a service regen when you take the car in if the soot levels are high.
However, going back to the diesels, I wouldn't worry too much about the DPFs and catalysts. Town running and short journeys do provide less opportunity to regen, it's true, but it shouldn't be a major issue unless there's an underlying problem or the car literally never leaves the city. If nothing else, the technicians should be doing a service regen when you take the car in if the soot levels are high.
doogz said:
Back seats are a bit tiny
I'm about 5'9" and can fit in the back seats fine (as long as the boot is open to leave room for my head)Seriously think about wether you need rear seats for normal sized passengers as they're a lot smaller in the back than the civic.
Other than that I really like them, a rather nice place to be (in the front seats at least) and decent looking with it.
Really dont get this fashion for hybrids. When your using the engine alone, your using extra fuel to carry around a no doubt very heavy (& redudnant) electric pack with batteries etc.
However, when your on electric alone (which is pretty unlikely as I beleive it only produces the equivalent of 15bhp or so), you have to cart around an additional 2-300kg's of internal combustion engine which isnt doing anything except adding weight & reducing efficiency. Strange. Theres also the question of the longevity of the electric motors/batteries & if your an eco type, the damage that mining, extracting, transporting, refining & then disposing of the rare earth metals that are required in the manufacture of hybrids, surely outweights any "carbon foot print" you think your saving.
Must say if I had the choice (& if your mileage dicates it), then a good modern diesel is literally streets ahead of any current hybrid when it comes to mpg v performance. IMHO.
However, when your on electric alone (which is pretty unlikely as I beleive it only produces the equivalent of 15bhp or so), you have to cart around an additional 2-300kg's of internal combustion engine which isnt doing anything except adding weight & reducing efficiency. Strange. Theres also the question of the longevity of the electric motors/batteries & if your an eco type, the damage that mining, extracting, transporting, refining & then disposing of the rare earth metals that are required in the manufacture of hybrids, surely outweights any "carbon foot print" you think your saving.
Must say if I had the choice (& if your mileage dicates it), then a good modern diesel is literally streets ahead of any current hybrid when it comes to mpg v performance. IMHO.
Robbo101 said:
Really dont get this fashion for hybrids. When your using the engine alone, your using extra fuel to carry around a no doubt very heavy (& redudnant) electric pack with batteries etc.
However, when your on electric alone (which is pretty unlikely as I beleive it only produces the equivalent of 15bhp or so), you have to cart around an additional 2-300kg's of internal combustion engine which isnt doing anything except adding weight & reducing efficiency. Strange. Theres also the question of the longevity of the electric motors/batteries & if your an eco type, the damage that mining, extracting, transporting, refining & then disposing of the rare earth metals that are required in the manufacture of hybrids, surely outweights any "carbon foot print" you think your saving.
Must say if I had the choice (& if your mileage dicates it), then a good modern diesel is literally streets ahead of any current hybrid when it comes to mpg v performance. IMHO.
Your weights are miles outby several factors.However, when your on electric alone (which is pretty unlikely as I beleive it only produces the equivalent of 15bhp or so), you have to cart around an additional 2-300kg's of internal combustion engine which isnt doing anything except adding weight & reducing efficiency. Strange. Theres also the question of the longevity of the electric motors/batteries & if your an eco type, the damage that mining, extracting, transporting, refining & then disposing of the rare earth metals that are required in the manufacture of hybrids, surely outweights any "carbon foot print" you think your saving.
Must say if I had the choice (& if your mileage dicates it), then a good modern diesel is literally streets ahead of any current hybrid when it comes to mpg v performance. IMHO.
The 56kg the IMA system adds is not heavy when you compare it to a pig iron block diesel with a large DPF, turbo, intercooler, larger 12V battery and alternator....
when you're using BOTH engine and motor (they are not exclusive items) you get the performance of a 2.0 in a car that has the front end mass of a 1.5 and goes through EU6 emissions a piece of cake running on cheaper fuel... oh and revs past 5k making a nice noise. Even if it could drive in EV mode 50mph would probably be possible on a flat road with just 15bhp.... its actually a 10kW motor though. Battery far to small for that use though, its sized to provide the system POWER requirements not energy. Energy capacity is only an incentive is if you can charge from the grid.
Edited by JonnyVTEC on Tuesday 2nd August 12:33
Chris71 said:
Go for it! For what it is, I think the CR-Z is great fun to punt along and I'm surprised by the slightly luke warm reaction it got from most of the press.
To be fair, the enthusiast press have never been really keen on other things in the Tigra/207CC class either - a bit too much style over substance where performance is concerned, I suppose. I'm sure that if Honda had launched a quicker version it would have been more warmly received by that part of the market, and the reviews which have not asked the CR-Z to be something it isn't have generally been good. otolith said:
The reviews which have not asked the CR-Z to be something it isn't have generally been good.
In terms of driving, I'd put the CR-Z more with something like the Puma than the 207 CC or Tigra, but it's certainly not a full-on sports car. What it does have is that feeling of insurance-friendly willingness that defines good 'warm' cars. The style and the environmental kudos are probably enough for 90 percent of the intended market, but unlike some of the others it stacks up well beyond those criteria too.
nottyash said:
Your worried about spending money on fuel, so want to buy a 20 odd grand car to save a few quid?
Its way way way overpriced, If it were 15 grand we would all have one
You can get 'em for less than £15k if you are prepared to go second-hand and look beyond the PH classifieds.Its way way way overpriced, If it were 15 grand we would all have one
Mr Gear said:
nottyash said:
Your worried about spending money on fuel, so want to buy a 20 odd grand car to save a few quid?
Its way way way overpriced, If it were 15 grand we would all have one
You can get 'em for less than £15k if you are prepared to go second-hand and look beyond the PH classifieds.Its way way way overpriced, If it were 15 grand we would all have one
Deerfoot said:
CAR are running one as a long termer at the moment. They appear to like it.
Exactly - they've also got a Meriva, a non-Cooper Mini Countryman, a Hyundai iX35, a diesel Volvo V60, a Renault Wind, etc - while on Evo's fleet the only car that isn't a performance car is that Skoda Yeti they use to cart the photographer's gear about. The CR-Z is the kind of thing CAR have always liked.Car long-term tests are here:
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results...
http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/Drives/Search-Results...
car said:
Economy returned 54.22mpg – good enough for a theoretical (if slow) 475-mile range from the 40-litre tank. Flicking over to Sport and keeping the rev counter needle nudging the redline as often as possible returned 40.1mpg. Sure that’s a hefty 35% drop in economy, but given the engaging level of driver entertainment dished up in Sport, 40mpg stills seems relatively good value.
I've had my eye on them for a while, there are some very cheap nearly-new ones about and Sport spec is pretty good. It's a smart little coupe that can be a fun, revvy thing when you want it to be but give great economy for the daily grind. Buy a diesel and you always have an engine that won't rev.otolith said:
Deerfoot said:
CAR are running one as a long termer at the moment. They appear to like it.
Exactly - they've also got a Meriva, a non-Cooper Mini Countryman, a Hyundai iX35, a diesel Volvo V60, a Renault Wind, etc - while on Evo's fleet the only car that isn't a performance car is that Skoda Yeti they use to cart the photographer's gear about. The CR-Z is the kind of thing CAR have always liked.Deerfoot said:
otolith said:
Deerfoot said:
CAR are running one as a long termer at the moment. They appear to like it.
Exactly - they've also got a Meriva, a non-Cooper Mini Countryman, a Hyundai iX35, a diesel Volvo V60, a Renault Wind, etc - while on Evo's fleet the only car that isn't a performance car is that Skoda Yeti they use to cart the photographer's gear about. The CR-Z is the kind of thing CAR have always liked.
I am reliably told that the MPG figures for Honda's have never been particularly good on the hybrid models in the EU measuring system. Real-world figures from owners show MUCH better MPG and has been said on here that the old Insight model can push 90MPG if driven with care!
If you can get a CRZ for a good price then why not, but at list they do seem expensive, not fast enough and not economical enough. At a dropped price with a good package thrown in, they do make a good proposition. They look different (good point) and most people dont know what they are (very good point).
That said, a Skoda Fabia VRS (the old diesel one) should be cheap, chearful and plenty fun with decent MPG. Not sure its funky enough, but worth looking at for money saving with a smile. Diesel I know, but people rave about them.
If you can get a CRZ for a good price then why not, but at list they do seem expensive, not fast enough and not economical enough. At a dropped price with a good package thrown in, they do make a good proposition. They look different (good point) and most people dont know what they are (very good point).
That said, a Skoda Fabia VRS (the old diesel one) should be cheap, chearful and plenty fun with decent MPG. Not sure its funky enough, but worth looking at for money saving with a smile. Diesel I know, but people rave about them.
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