What would you class as reasonable (rent increase)
What would you class as reasonable (rent increase)
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okgo

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41,608 posts

222 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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We are not too far from our first year in a property.

All has been well, the flat suits us, and we have been good tenants.

The rent is £925 which in my opinion is about right given what the flat has and also what else gets let in the area. The agents have said to the landlord that they think they could get £1000 for it (as the market has gone up a lot apparently), so the landlord has said he would like to meet us at £970.

I'm inclined to say its reasonable, but am I to expect the same conversation every year?

What would you class as reasonable?

Davel

8,982 posts

282 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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Look on Rightmove or visit a couple of Estate Agents in the area to see what is being charged locally to you.

BuzzLightyear

1,426 posts

206 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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A 5% increase in a rising Market seems pretty fair considering inflation etc. Is the Service Charge reasonable this year / last?

okgo

Original Poster:

41,608 posts

222 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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There is no service charge.

LooneyTunes

9,061 posts

182 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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... and if you were to walk, the cost for the landlord to find a new tenant (if he's using an agency) would be what? And if there's a fallow period? And if the next tenants are bad?

Yes, 5% may be small, but I've never had a landlord try to put a rent increase on me (mainly I suspect as a result of the above) when already in a property.

james12345

602 posts

260 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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AFAIK, a landlord cannot by law increase the rent of an existing tenant by more than 5% per annum, but you would need to look into Assured Shorthold Tenancies (assuming that's what you've got)

I'm a landlord myself, but not a lawyer!

okgo

Original Poster:

41,608 posts

222 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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I agree.

The effort to find someone new for the sake of £50 seems silly, mind you it works both ways.

James, I see what you're saying, but if I am coming to the end of my tenancy then surely when that contract expires they can put it up to whatever they want?

andye30m3

3,497 posts

278 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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As a landlord I'd generally avoid putting rents up for existing tenants I was happy with all the time the rent was in the same region as others in the area

Although mine's gone up by 10% over the last year as people have moved out and I've had to get new tenants

okgo

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41,608 posts

222 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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I feel this sadly is down to estate agents bigging up the market and quoting figures that they could get him.

I did do lettings for a while and I think they could get more, but I think its a little bit silly of him to want to jeapodise two good tenants for the sake of £60.

98elise

31,563 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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andye30m3 said:
As a landlord I'd generally avoid putting rents up for existing tenants I was happy with all the time the rent was in the same region as others in the area

Although mine's gone up by 10% over the last year as people have moved out and I've had to get new tenants
I'm the same. I've told my tenants that the rent will not increase until such time as there is a significant difference between local rates and what they are paying. Even then it will track the local rates at the same discount.

Keeping a decent tenant is a priority for me.

freenote

805 posts

192 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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It used to be normal to increase the rent inline with inflation. However, rents are going up across the nation, and more importantly the cost of maintenance is increasing.
If you're in a flat the service charge is likely to have increased year on year for the LL and everything else in terms of labour and materials is more than a couple of years ago.

It's important to realise that if the LL is struggling to cover the mortgage, maintenance, service charge etc etc and the VAT increase on his renewal fee with the agent then it could be worth looking for a new tenant at an increased rent.

Unfortunately cost of living is going up for all.

okgo

Original Poster:

41,608 posts

222 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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I've initially agreed on the basis he fits new kitchen worktoos, new sink, and new hob as they are all more than a bit tired.

Wings

5,938 posts

239 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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andye30m3 said:
As a landlord I'd generally avoid putting rents up for existing tenants I was happy with all the time the rent was in the same region as others in the area

Although mine's gone up by 10% over the last year as people have moved out and I've had to get new tenants
Absolutely agree, as a landlord myself as a general rule I do not increase rent to a sitting tenant, and since there are lots of empty properties, landlords seeking tenants.

Surely for any landlord it is better to have a 12, 18, 24, 36 months full let etc., rather than for the sake of a 5% rental increase, to find you have a tenant giving Notice, and an empty property, loss of rent for 1, 2, 3 months etc.

okgo

Original Poster:

41,608 posts

222 months

Tuesday 2nd August 2011
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Agree as a blanket rule.

They would let this tomorrow for the rent I've agreed to. Next door was let in two days (2 bed same style £1400)

MikeyT

17,904 posts

295 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2011
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I think it's my age maybe but paying a GRAND a month in RENT makes me shudder for some reason ...

(I know you're in London etc)

okgo

Original Poster:

41,608 posts

222 months

Wednesday 3rd August 2011
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MikeyT said:
I think it's my age maybe but paying a GRAND a month in RENT makes me shudder for some reason ...

(I know you're in London etc)
It doesn't thrill me either, but I suppose its all relative earnings wise.