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I know we all dislike Scameras.
However, near my house there is a bright yellow one.
It is on the road parallel to a residental area, there are 3 warnings, and a then has a bright blue sign warning of the camera and limit 100 yards before it. Rachel Moon's team have in no way hidden it. (You can see it from about half a mile away on a straight road)
So why do I see it flash idiots all day long??
Are the resident chavs blind, dyslexic to the number "30" or have pockets full of £60 notes... The mind wonders
However, near my house there is a bright yellow one.
It is on the road parallel to a residental area, there are 3 warnings, and a then has a bright blue sign warning of the camera and limit 100 yards before it. Rachel Moon's team have in no way hidden it. (You can see it from about half a mile away on a straight road)
So why do I see it flash idiots all day long??
Are the resident chavs blind, dyslexic to the number "30" or have pockets full of £60 notes... The mind wonders
Well! If it isn't moving, it isn't a danger. Right? mcflurry said:
I know we all dislike Scameras.
However, near my house there is a bright yellow one.
It is on the road parallel to a residental area, there are 3 warnings, and a then has a bright blue sign warning of the camera and limit 100 yards before it. Rachel Moon's team have in no way hidden it. (You can see it from about half a mile away on a straight road)
So why do I see it flash idiots all day long??
Are the resident chavs blind, dyslexic to the number "30" or have pockets full of £60 notes... The mind wonders
Because the cars arent registered to them and they are not getting caught!
>> Edited by Tonyrec on Monday 7th June 12:27
mcflurry said:
Kent Scamera partnership have now even put up posters 'reminding' people that streetlights and built up areas = 30 mph
Isn't it about time some pro-motoring organisation (oops, plan failed at the first hurdle) ran a test with a Ford Model T driving at 30mph with candles on its wings down a gaslamp lit cobbled street to see how far away a pedestrian had to be to avoid being hit.
And then tested how fast a modern car could go and still avoid hitting the pedestrian at that distance.
And then we could up the "residential" 30 to that more reasonable speed.
And only apply such a low speed in the areas deemed to require street lights when that law was introduced.
That are still cobbled.
Or am I missing something here?
mcflurry said:
And then we could up the "residential" 30 to that more reasonable speed.
IMHO 30 is reasonable in built up areas, limits of 30 in "none-built up areas" is the problem (as is 60 on an A road, 70 on a motorway etc)
I agree with Mcflurry. It is accepted that most accidents happen on low speed roads, I guess this means residential areas. I don't want to be doing 40 when little kiddie runs out into the road in front of me.
The people who will benefit from higher limits are those who do the most mileage: couriers, salemen etc. These people generally use the motorways, the safest roads. The limits should be relaxed here.
I too think 30 a reasonable limit in residential areas. At times 20 might also be appropriate, where it's actually a change of mindset rather than a speed limit.
However, I do think that 30 limits are being extended for no good reason in some places, and 40 limits introduced inconsistently where there is the odd house but it's hardly a residential area.
Much more concerning are the 50 limits imposed on country A-roads. Far better to provide sensible warnings of the impending dangers and let drivers figure out the right speed for the circumstances, than to apply a blanket limit that might be right on a dark rainy night in a Micra but is irrelevant otherwise.
And yes, let's get rid of the motorway limit while we're at it -- or at least set it above what most people want to do, as the 70 limit used to be. Let's start at 100.
However, I do think that 30 limits are being extended for no good reason in some places, and 40 limits introduced inconsistently where there is the odd house but it's hardly a residential area.
Much more concerning are the 50 limits imposed on country A-roads. Far better to provide sensible warnings of the impending dangers and let drivers figure out the right speed for the circumstances, than to apply a blanket limit that might be right on a dark rainy night in a Micra but is irrelevant otherwise.
And yes, let's get rid of the motorway limit while we're at it -- or at least set it above what most people want to do, as the 70 limit used to be. Let's start at 100.
So, how are we defining "built up" and "residential" gentlemen?
All those lovely new six lane dual carriageways in cuttings in London through very "built-up residential" areas (where the limit on the new road is actually sometimes lower than on the actual residential roads they are "by-passing"?).
The Leeds and London ends of the M1?
Just in case anyone was thinking otherwise, I wasn't refering to pavement free mini cul-de-sacs linking residential access roads to open plan front gardens.
Some places you find major urban radial and ring routes with 40's and 50's running past narrow pavements with shops or front doors opening right onto them.
Other places the reclaim the streets types think twenty's plenty because you can see a couple of roof tiles in the distance from a country road.
You've just accepted that twenty's plenty in most situations.
Next stop on the slippery slope is digging up the roads, grassing them over, and going back to the horse and cart (which killed far more people than the car).
All those lovely new six lane dual carriageways in cuttings in London through very "built-up residential" areas (where the limit on the new road is actually sometimes lower than on the actual residential roads they are "by-passing"?).
The Leeds and London ends of the M1?
Just in case anyone was thinking otherwise, I wasn't refering to pavement free mini cul-de-sacs linking residential access roads to open plan front gardens.
Some places you find major urban radial and ring routes with 40's and 50's running past narrow pavements with shops or front doors opening right onto them.
Other places the reclaim the streets types think twenty's plenty because you can see a couple of roof tiles in the distance from a country road.
You've just accepted that twenty's plenty in most situations.
Next stop on the slippery slope is digging up the roads, grassing them over, and going back to the horse and cart (which killed far more people than the car).
As said above not only did horsey and carts kill more people per head of population in the 1800's (pre car)in the m
But they are also worse for the enviroment producing more geenhouse gases than cars (seriously)
We tend to forget that flexible fast personal transportation is essentail to a successful economy and that without cars, our economy would be up Sh@tcreek without a paddle (as economists say)
But they are also worse for the enviroment producing more geenhouse gases than cars (seriously)
We tend to forget that flexible fast personal transportation is essentail to a successful economy and that without cars, our economy would be up Sh@tcreek without a paddle (as economists say)
To reply to an earlier question of 'Whats a Chav?', try this link. You will be entertained, I guarantee it.
www.chavscum.co.uk
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Lots of nice motors as well!
>> Edited by andygo on Tuesday 8th June 23:27
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www.chavscum.co.uk/images/may2004/may051.jpg
Lots of nice motors as well!
>> Edited by andygo on Tuesday 8th June 23:27
jumjum said:
As said above not only did horsey and carts kill more people per head of population in the 1800's (pre car)in the m
But they are also worse for the enviroment producing more geenhouse gases than cars (seriously)
Since they're CO2-neutral, I take it you're referring to methane from horse farts?
Horse's arse - tube - compressor - tank - stove - cooked dinner - CO2-neutral hot food. Job done!
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