put these in order of RAWNESS
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jackal said:
Nice review. I adore the Stradale. I remember the first time seeing one parked in Sloane St London. It was in red with the italien stripes going down the car. I stood there on the road, looking like a wierdo, staring at that car for about 10mins completely taken away by it.. First time I saw a scuderia was in Monaco, I must admitt it didnt give me the same shivers as the stradale. Maybe because the Stradale was the original track-road legal Ferrari and therefore it was all new to me... I ended up buying the scuderia probably because its more modern and very reliable, whereby the reliability on the Strad can be questionable according to reviews ive read on here. In my wish list of cars, I would definitely have a Strad too!jackal said:
F40, F50, 360, 355, 360cs, 430, Scuderia, 458, 348, Enzo ?
F50F40
Enzo
360cs
Scuderia
355 & 348 equal
360
458 a distant last.
I wonder how many of you who have placed the F40 first have driven the F50. The ex 333sp engine in the F50 (derived from F1) is brutal to the point where Ferrari could barely homologate it for road use. The fact that its mounted directly to the tub is insane (Porsche said that was too hardcore a solution when they were developing Carrera GT and Ferrari chickened out themselves on the Enzo). Finally add in that the fact that its a stressed member to which the rear of the car is bolted and that the suspension is fully rose jointed and you've more or less got the most extreme RAW road car of modern times, possibly ever. I know thats all theory but my God, in practice too, its REAL. IMO the F40 is raw but the F50 is extreme and much much more so. The 50 is brutal. (though its true character is really only released with proper pipe).
What makes people think the F40 may be raw is the old-school driving experience, but thats a fault, not a virtue. And now 456mgt has swapped his tubi rear mufflers for the tubi straight through on his F50, I can safely say its the wildest maddest most extreme sound i've ever heard from a road car. Makes the F40 sound like a blender and I choose my words carefully.
458 is the most anodyne Ferrari i've ever driven. Positively dull at low rpm. Still want one because its just soo gorgeous.
Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Sunday 14th August 23:52
Edited by Murcielago_Boy on Sunday 14th August 23:55
I havent driven an F50 (anyone want to give me a drive in one for my 53rd birthday next month?) although i have brought back a 288GTO from the factory.
The 288 was awesome - brutally quick when you mash the throttle to the carpet but what a car to drive.
Fabulous although i have always wondered how the F50 compared to the 288?
However having driven an F40 as well i have to say that i prefer, & it pains me to say this, the F40. I think that it is because the F40 is just more brutal than the 288 & to me it is just a raw, awesome brute of a car.
Is the F40 truly the greatest drivers car? Certainly in my experience i would have to say yes it is.
The 288 was awesome - brutally quick when you mash the throttle to the carpet but what a car to drive.
Fabulous although i have always wondered how the F50 compared to the 288?
However having driven an F40 as well i have to say that i prefer, & it pains me to say this, the F40. I think that it is because the F40 is just more brutal than the 288 & to me it is just a raw, awesome brute of a car.
Is the F40 truly the greatest drivers car? Certainly in my experience i would have to say yes it is.
Murcielago_Boy said:
What makes people think the F40 may be raw is the old-school driving experience, but thats a fault, not a virtue.
Shirley the question of what does or doesn’t constitute "Raw" is subjective? for me the entire makeup of the 40 is a very primal and raw experience irrespective of speed, where the 50 is just that little bit more refined and easier to drive when going slowly, but as you've stated taking two factory standard cars, arguably the more brutal of the two on WOT . . even if only by a small margin.ETA: If I had to get from A to B in the wet, I'd want to take a standard 458, with all its electronic toys, creature comforts and safety gizmos
I have an Enzo, CS, and F40. For me, the Scud was kind of ordinary compared to the CS. Yes, it's faster, but nothing else feels or sounds like the very raw CS. I doubt Ferrari will make another car that's as raw as the CS. Their best clients will not buy it!
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