Am I in the wrong/misunderstanding or is it them?
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I have had this happen a couple of times over the last few weeks.
There is a 2 lane slip road probably half a mile long onto a dual carriageway (the Broughton - A55 sliproad for those who know it near Chester) Generally after work there is 2-3 cars on there and maybe a lorry so i normally end up in the outside lane to get past these before joining the carriageway, the sliproad as said is very long.
Last week and then again today, I join the sliproad and start accelerating along the outside lane past the slower cars when someone indicates to pull out to go around the car (or in todays case a lorry) infront of them.
In todays case they indicated and slowly started moving over (as in, like they weren't sure whether to come over or not) I kept my foot in and the stupid b
h starts flashing at me when she pulls in behind me like i've done something wrong?
People pulling out infront of me winds me up alot, if its a busy road I can almost understand as long as they don't actually cause someone to have to brake but when there is noone behind me and they only had to wait a few seconds it annoys me and in these instances I see no reason to lift off and let them in when it is much easier for myself to just carry on and them join behind me.
Am I missing a trick here or is it just a case of some people think indicating means you have the right to just pull out regardless of what may be coming?
It was a woman in an old beamer with those stty ice white bulbs in if that makes a difference.
There is a 2 lane slip road probably half a mile long onto a dual carriageway (the Broughton - A55 sliproad for those who know it near Chester) Generally after work there is 2-3 cars on there and maybe a lorry so i normally end up in the outside lane to get past these before joining the carriageway, the sliproad as said is very long.
Last week and then again today, I join the sliproad and start accelerating along the outside lane past the slower cars when someone indicates to pull out to go around the car (or in todays case a lorry) infront of them.
In todays case they indicated and slowly started moving over (as in, like they weren't sure whether to come over or not) I kept my foot in and the stupid b
h starts flashing at me when she pulls in behind me like i've done something wrong?People pulling out infront of me winds me up alot, if its a busy road I can almost understand as long as they don't actually cause someone to have to brake but when there is noone behind me and they only had to wait a few seconds it annoys me and in these instances I see no reason to lift off and let them in when it is much easier for myself to just carry on and them join behind me.
Am I missing a trick here or is it just a case of some people think indicating means you have the right to just pull out regardless of what may be coming?
It was a woman in an old beamer with those s
tty ice white bulbs in if that makes a difference.They should wait - but we used to have ex-Police defensive driving instructors at work and one of them reckoned you'd be in trouble for driving without due care and consideration (just careless driving now) if you ignored the signal and an accident happened.
I have to say that you're taking a heck of a chance just ploughing on - you'd be travelling at some speed and they did pull out and nudge you you'd be in all sorts of difficulty.
I have to say that you're taking a heck of a chance just ploughing on - you'd be travelling at some speed and they did pull out and nudge you you'd be in all sorts of difficulty.
Ozzie Osmond said:
Since when did stamping on the accelerator give you right of way?
Since I was in the lane first and them pulling out would force me to slam my brakes on?Do you think it is perfectly ok to pull out infront of someone resulting in them having to brake heavily because of your action?
its a perspective thing.
I actually think you're pretty much right - its usually people who have been approaching something in front, and have no planning skills at all, so just wait till they're close and go to pull out. In their mind, you not letting them out means they have to slow down. In yours, vice-versa.
that's why they're annoyed - they're seeing the same lack of thought in you, as you're seeing in them. Its pretty much the same thing that fuels all road rage. the fact i think you're right - cos it annoys me too - wont change how THEY see it.
re: right or wrong. who cares? if you have a accident you ave a chance of ending up dead. being right in that situation wouldnt be much of a consolation.
I actually think you're pretty much right - its usually people who have been approaching something in front, and have no planning skills at all, so just wait till they're close and go to pull out. In their mind, you not letting them out means they have to slow down. In yours, vice-versa.
that's why they're annoyed - they're seeing the same lack of thought in you, as you're seeing in them. Its pretty much the same thing that fuels all road rage. the fact i think you're right - cos it annoys me too - wont change how THEY see it.
re: right or wrong. who cares? if you have a accident you ave a chance of ending up dead. being right in that situation wouldnt be much of a consolation.
If I see somebody indicating I will always flash them to allow them out unless I'm on top of 'em at the point, however if I wish to pull out I don't signal to pull out until there's a gap for me to pull into without expecting other peeps to slow down.
Something I do a lot is pre-empt a car being in my way at the point I wish to overtake and accelerate away overtake then pull back in this seems to cause the odd gesticulation from my fellow man.
Something I do a lot is pre-empt a car being in my way at the point I wish to overtake and accelerate away overtake then pull back in this seems to cause the odd gesticulation from my fellow man.
If you let them out and leave a big gap as in a huge gap; then they always overtake the lorry and move back in sharpish
without any hassle, even if you were incoming at 120kph.
Or just pray they are checking their mirrors every few seconds and go for it.
They can see what you did so return the favour.
without any hassle, even if you were incoming at 120kph.
Or just pray they are checking their mirrors every few seconds and go for it.
They can see what you did so return the favour.
tyranical said:
The issue is you've clearly completely misunderstood the scenario and shouldn't have commented.
oh well life goes on, usually you can read ahead and see that when someone is closing on the car infront they are likely to want to overtake, read the road ahead and prepare for what is coming. It is much better way of dealing with these types of sitiationsOh and I will comment on what I like.
Most people don't indicate to change lanes unless they think there is enough room anyway, so if at the point they indicate there is enough room to let them out, let them out.
If the speed differential means you will have to brake rather than just lift off perhaps you are close enough or going fast enough to get past quickly.
Slightly different but similar in terms of selfishness to the times when you indicate to change lanes, and the person to your right starts to speed up to close the gap and not let you in.
If the speed differential means you will have to brake rather than just lift off perhaps you are close enough or going fast enough to get past quickly.
Slightly different but similar in terms of selfishness to the times when you indicate to change lanes, and the person to your right starts to speed up to close the gap and not let you in.
I think both drivers need to be a little more assertive to be honest. If I was the women I would check my mirrors before even thinking about moving out and take notice of the surrounding cars speed and position on the road. In the example I would have noticed the car was moving faster than myself and waited behind the lorry until I could drop in behind the car. Although, on the motorway if I was in the first lane I would check the third lane and if that was clear I would indicate so the car in the middle lane could move over and allow me out.
Its down to the overtaking car to read the road ahead, there were most likely signs the women would want to go around the lorry (she was catching it for example) and the driver should notice this and take appropriate actions such as easing off so the driver has space to pull out into. Nothings ever black and white in these situations. In your example OP though if I was the women I would have waited and pulled behind you, but this all depends on your approach speed etc.
Right, I've got a nose bleed from this high horse now so I'll get down.
Its down to the overtaking car to read the road ahead, there were most likely signs the women would want to go around the lorry (she was catching it for example) and the driver should notice this and take appropriate actions such as easing off so the driver has space to pull out into. Nothings ever black and white in these situations. In your example OP though if I was the women I would have waited and pulled behind you, but this all depends on your approach speed etc.
Right, I've got a nose bleed from this high horse now so I'll get down.
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