Questions for BiB ref VASCAR.
Discussion
To any BIB out there.
Perhaps you can sort out a little arguement. Fortunately a license doesn't depend on the outcome.
My Friend insistes he received an NIP in the post for speeding, caught via VASCAR. Now he never recalls being stopped by the BIB for this, but can remember going through a trap where the BIB were stationary on a bridge above a motorway. Therefore as he wasnt stopped I can only assume they noted his number and sent the NIP through the post to him as the registered keeper. I argued this wasn't possible.
My question is, is this allowable? I accept that VASCAR can work whilst the police were stationary but surely the BIB must then catch up said offender show him/her the evidence and provide them with the neccersaries?
Like I said no licence is at stake and the aforementioned fine has been paid, there is only a pint of lager at stake.
Perhaps you can sort out a little arguement. Fortunately a license doesn't depend on the outcome.
My Friend insistes he received an NIP in the post for speeding, caught via VASCAR. Now he never recalls being stopped by the BIB for this, but can remember going through a trap where the BIB were stationary on a bridge above a motorway. Therefore as he wasnt stopped I can only assume they noted his number and sent the NIP through the post to him as the registered keeper. I argued this wasn't possible.
My question is, is this allowable? I accept that VASCAR can work whilst the police were stationary but surely the BIB must then catch up said offender show him/her the evidence and provide them with the neccersaries?
Like I said no licence is at stake and the aforementioned fine has been paid, there is only a pint of lager at stake.
Get your hand in your wallet (mind the moths).
Nothing at law to prevent BiB getting evidence of speed offence by Vascar, noting down VRM of offending vehicle, not stoppong and then later commencing proceedings as per camera. i.e written NOIP and papers to name driver.
My days Force policy to stop and show offender average speed reading displayed but there was nothing in law to say that this should be done.
DVD
Nothing at law to prevent BiB getting evidence of speed offence by Vascar, noting down VRM of offending vehicle, not stoppong and then later commencing proceedings as per camera. i.e written NOIP and papers to name driver.
My days Force policy to stop and show offender average speed reading displayed but there was nothing in law to say that this should be done.
DVD
Cheers gents.
I still find it weird that somebody can be caught this way without nbeing stopped by the BiB. Lets face it what evidence exists other than the fact that at least one officer has seen the offence activated Vascar and got a reading whilst simultaneously scribbling down the vehicle registration number. Sounds like a whole lot of things can go wrong there, I would have assumed that the safer route to ensuring the conviction is to stop the offender present the evidence as it stands and follow that route, at least the offender gets the kick up the arse as well and will drive slower for a few miles.
I still find it weird that somebody can be caught this way without nbeing stopped by the BiB. Lets face it what evidence exists other than the fact that at least one officer has seen the offence activated Vascar and got a reading whilst simultaneously scribbling down the vehicle registration number. Sounds like a whole lot of things can go wrong there, I would have assumed that the safer route to ensuring the conviction is to stop the offender present the evidence as it stands and follow that route, at least the offender gets the kick up the arse as well and will drive slower for a few miles.
tvrslag said:
Cheers gents.
I still find it weird that somebody can be caught this way without nbeing stopped by the BiB.
Why not?
Why would a Roads Policing Officer sit on top of a bridge and take car numbers, make up a speed and then have the aggravation of sending out all of the paperwork by hand?
Why your friend out of all the others that passed under him that day?
Maybe he was exceeding the limit by the amount recorded on the VASCAR head!
In my day we were told, if you are uncertain about your accuracy, bin it and wait for the next one, you will not have to wait long
tvrslag said:
Lets face it what evidence exists other than the fact that at least one officer has seen the offence activated Vascar and got a reading whilst simultaneously scribbling down the vehicle registration number. Sounds like a whole lot of things can go wrong there,
Some people have been convivted of murders where there is no evidence of a body!
tvrslag said:
I would have assumed that the safer route to ensuring the conviction is to stop the offender present the evidence as it stands and follow that route, at least the offender gets the kick up the arse as well and will drive slower for a few miles.
The only difference of this method from a camera van is that there is no photgraphic evidence to show the car on the road.
It is in the RP officers interests to stop the driver at the time as then the verbal warning can be issued at the time rather than on a NIP form within 14 days from the offence (less writing and the excuse to max out the performance of the police vehicle to catch the offender
). gone said:
Why would a Roads Policing Officer sit on top of a bridge and take car numbers, make up a speed and then have the aggravation of sending out all of the paperwork by hand?
Comment on this not from me but relative who is ex senior trafplod. (DVD you know who)
If (VERY VERY BIG IF) you do get an idle wrong 'un, then any supervisor worth his salt spots this easily and takes appropriate disciplinary action.
The prospect of the latter (ie on the carpet, buttons ripped off) makes it just not worthwhile. Rearrange the words into a well known phrase or saying, peas, shelling, easy as.
FiF (on behalf of elder FiF)
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