Waxoyl alternative
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bonesX

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902 posts

202 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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From my experience waxoyl emulsifies with water contact (so will 'hold' moisture), will wash off the wheel arch's when sprayed with high speed road water and will make rust worse

Is there an alternative any can recommend?

Cheers

HellDiver

5,708 posts

204 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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Dinitrol.

http://www.dinitrol.co.uk/rust_prevention_waxes_an...

4941 is excellent.

Used it myself on a previously scabby Astra I derusted, and it seems to be used heavily by Hyundai in the factory on the OH's i30.

bonesX

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902 posts

202 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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I think I'm going to this way, cheers

Grey Ghost

4,608 posts

242 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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The nice people who service my Chim 450 and make it go faster applied Schutz underseal to the chassis last time it was with them.

Looks like it will take some form of urban warfare to shift it biggrin

TAHodgson

875 posts

193 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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Grey Ghost said:
The nice people who service my Chim 450 and make it go faster applied Schutz underseal to the chassis last time it was with them.

Looks like it will take some form of urban warfare to shift it biggrin
+1,
My dad runs a bodyshop and we've had a few people (Mostly MX5's wanting a decent rust proofing) We use Dinitrol inside the sills and 3M schutz underneath. Seems to do the trick!

andy665

4,036 posts

250 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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Never found anything better than the little known Bilt Hamber Dynax S50 - truly fantastic stuff as is always the case with their products

Bonefish Blues

34,356 posts

245 months

Friday 19th August 2011
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This:

http://www.rust.co.uk/dinitrol-products.cfm

Tough as boots, US military spec, can be used for cavities and as well as exposed surfaces.

bonesX

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902 posts

202 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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Bonefish Blues said:
This:

http://www.rust.co.uk/dinitrol-products.cfm

Tough as boots, US military spec, can be used for cavities and as well as exposed surfaces.
This looks good - wax without the oil

Bonefish Blues

34,356 posts

245 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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bonesX said:
This looks good - wax without the oil
It is - very - goes on a pale golden yellow, and adheres beautifully.

bonesX

Original Poster:

902 posts

202 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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Bonefish Blues said:
It is - very - goes on a pale golden yellow, and adheres beautifully.
Is it useable for wheelarches? ie will it wash off when blasted with road water like waxoyl will?

Bonefish Blues

34,356 posts

245 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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bonesX said:
Is it useable for wheelarches? ie will it wash off when blasted with road water like waxoyl will?
Yes, I think so, it dries to a very tough finish - we did the MX5 last autumn, and used it as our main car during the worst of the Winter (Winter tyres, see...), and even where it had been scraped along in snow and slush ridges it stayed on.

Having said that, I'm might be tempted to use POR 15 http://www.por15.com/ in the arches, assuming you could get it down to clean metal so it would adhere properly, and then put this on top as extra insurance.

steveo3002

11,020 posts

196 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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dintrol do several waxes , ive used one of thiers suitable for external use , nothing gets it off

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

277 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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Bonefish Blues said:
Yes, I think so, it dries to a very tough finish - we did the MX5 last autumn, and used it as our main car during the worst of the Winter (Winter tyres, see...), and even where it had been scraped along in snow and slush ridges it stayed on.

Having said that, I'm might be tempted to use POR 15 http://www.por15.com/ in the arches, assuming you could get it down to clean metal so it would adhere properly, and then put this on top as extra insurance.
POR15 is designed to be Painted On Rust and can be a pain to work with on clean metal surfaces. You have to use the special primer and even then it sometimes doesn't adhere very well.

rovermorris999

5,312 posts

211 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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Another vote for dinitrol. They do a cavity wax (3945?) and one for impact areas (4941, I think). I've used Bilt Hamber Dynax as well and it seemed good stuff.

jon-

16,534 posts

238 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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Would someone be kind enough to explain how this works to an idiot (me!)

I've recently bought a 1985 635csi, and while I don't plan on using it much over the winter it might get the odd run.

This car looks pretty good underneath, but has a few patches of areas with surface corrosion. Does this need to be ground out before using a product like Waxoyl, or does applying the waxoyl stop the rust thanks to some sort of air tight seal..?

PJ S

10,842 posts

249 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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andy665 said:
Never found anything better than the little known Bilt Hamber Dynax S50 - truly fantastic stuff as is always the case with their products
This......highest zinc content of all the ones mentioned.
Just like Cuprinol's slogan, does what it says on the tin.

Rust removal and prevention in the industrial & commercial sectors is Bilt Hamber's main income, not car cleaning stuff - that's a mere sideline.

bonesX

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902 posts

202 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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PJ S said:
This......highest zinc content of all the ones mentioned.
Just like Cuprinol's slogan, does what it says on the tin.

Rust removal and prevention in the industrial & commercial sectors is Bilt Hamber's main income, not car cleaning stuff - that's a mere sideline.
Why is the zinc so important?

60

1,479 posts

209 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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bonesX said:
Why is the zinc so important?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanization#Zinc_coatings

steveo3002

11,020 posts

196 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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jon- said:
Would someone be kind enough to explain how this works to an idiot (me!)

I've recently bought a 1985 635csi, and while I don't plan on using it much over the winter it might get the odd run.

This car looks pretty good underneath, but has a few patches of areas with surface corrosion. Does this need to be ground out before using a product like Waxoyl, or does applying the waxoyl stop the rust thanks to some sort of air tight seal..?
some products claim to be able to just slap over the rust , id suggest you scrape back any suspect underseal with a old wood chisel , then wire wheel /grind/dremel or whatever until its nice and clean , then some good primer like an epoxy over the bare steel

Fossilface

3,286 posts

220 months

Sunday 21st August 2011
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Another vote for Bilt Hamber Dynax S50.

Truly brilliant stuff and really easy to use with the aerosols and lances.