Ze Germans and speeding fines. Will they bother?
Ze Germans and speeding fines. Will they bother?
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Papa Hotel

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12,760 posts

204 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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I lived in Germany from 2004-2007, I picked up a few camera flashes in that time but only one fine ever came through, it was the grand sum of €12. Yes, twelve. Mostly they seemed not to bother, I was usually in my own UK-registered car and it was probably too much hassle to chase up some stupid Brit for a few bucks.

Anyway, I've just come home from a weekend there and may have been flashed. Three times...

This time, I was in a hire car, it was French-registered though, not German. So... What does the PH massive reckon, is my wallet cruising for a bruising or will Ze Hermans just not bother?

fatjon

2,298 posts

235 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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Yes, they can't be arsed to chase them up. On occasion they send a letter then they give up. But don't go back with the same reg plate for a long time as they will have you.


Crusoe

4,114 posts

253 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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Hire car, so almost certain they will send them the fine and take it from your credit card.

ghibbett

1,906 posts

207 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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Agreed - hire car company get the bill, add their administrative amount on top, then charge your credit card.

Had you been in your own (UK) car, I would say you'd have a good change of getting away with it. I certainly have so far.

Papa Hotel

Original Poster:

12,760 posts

204 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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Crusoe said:
Hire car, so almost certain they will send them the fine and take it from your credit card.
Ordinarily, yes, but as it was a French hire car, will they bother hunting out the owner?

ghibbett

1,906 posts

207 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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The Crack Fox said:
This has happened to me, but it was a German rental car, in Germany. I don't think they'll pursue a French car in Germany regardless of ownership.
Euro zone has an agreement allowing cross-fines between countries.

Crusoe

4,114 posts

253 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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Papa Hotel said:
Ordinarily, yes, but as it was a French hire car, will they bother hunting out the owner?
Likely though they don't have a country wide agreement, hire car firm also add on their administration fee so quids in for them too. They aren't going to want the next customer to get into trouble at the German border in their hire car.

Depending on how fast you were going three times could add up quite quickly speeding offence in excess of 10km/h would be €15, in excess of 26-30km/h €60, the maximum being €425 for travelling in excess of 70km/h over the limit.

mightymouse

1,438 posts

250 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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ghibbett said:
Agreed - hire car company get the bill, add their administrative amount on top, then charge your credit card.

Had you been in your own (UK) car, I would say you'd have a good change of getting away with it. I certainly have so far.
Agreed
wavey

fatjon

2,298 posts

235 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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Sorry, missed the hire car bit. You're stuffed, they will take the money from your card plus an admin fee.

WOO5IE

953 posts

219 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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For peace of mind why not just cancel your credit card asap.

Papa Hotel

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12,760 posts

204 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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WOO5IE said:
For peace of mind why not just cancel your credit card asap.
It was booked by my mate, I was just a named driver, I can't make him cancel his card, I'll have to pay him if they debit his card.

Liquid Knight

15,754 posts

205 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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Papa Hotel said:
Ordinarily, yes, but as it was a French hire car, will they bother hunting out the owner?
Probably not but you won't be able to hire from that company again if they got the fine.

ghibbett

1,906 posts

207 months

Monday 22nd August 2011
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The Crack Fox said:
Since when ? frown
Don't know, but my Austrian colleagues have been caught and fined by speed cameras in Germany, Italy and France.

Bebop Beru

157 posts

174 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2011
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German speed cameras tend to be forward facing so each ticket will have a picture of you on it.

Of course the rental company might just debit the card anyway and pass on the information for you to fight retrospectively.


There's also the fact that your 'licence' in Germany will now have points on it. Depending on the severity, they may ask your your English licence to be sent over to them in Dresden.

dcb

6,034 posts

287 months

Tuesday 23rd August 2011
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Bebop Beru said:
There's also the fact that your 'licence' in Germany will now have points on it. Depending on the severity, they may ask your your English licence to be sent over to them in Dresden.
Flensburg, surely ?

Also the German coppers aren't as obsessed with speed
as the Brit coppers. You'd have to be basically
ignoring the limits, where posted, to get into that
situation.

I was reading something the other day that said
that the German coppers regard "serious speeding" on the autobahn
as 70 kmh or above over the limit.

Which is in excess of 120 mph in a 75 mph limit ;->
I find that to be a somewhat liberal application
of the law.

zx10ben

1,074 posts

190 months

Wednesday 24th August 2011
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Bebop Beru said:
Depending on the severity, they may ask your your English licence to be sent over to them in Dresden.
To do what with it exactly?!

Love comments like that! As a Bill Oddie, having served the past 4 years in the fatherland, they have no jurisdiction over your home countries driving licence. One of lads got off his fine scott free because some bureaucrat attempted to take his licence from him at his home address in Germany, they are not allowed to! Quite rightly, they can ban you from driving in their country and they do this by giving you a German shadow driving licence (a make believe licence that they add your acquired points to) but they can't ban you from driving anywhere else by amending your driving licence in any way shape or form.

Back to the OP, as it was a foreign plate you've probably got away with it. Its more effort than its worth for them.

zx10ben

1,074 posts

190 months

Wednesday 24th August 2011
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dcb said:
Also the German coppers aren't as obsessed with speed
as the Brit coppers. You'd have to be basically
ignoring the limits, where posted, to get into that
situation.

I was reading something the other day that said
that the German coppers regard "serious speeding" on the autobahn
as 70 kmh or above over the limit.

Which is in excess of 120 mph in a 75 mph limit ;->
I find that to be a somewhat liberal application
of the law.
Don't believe all that you read! If a copper is on speed duty they will do you if you are even 5kph over the limit! 0430, only car on the road, limit 50kph, me 54kph, pulled over and given a ticket by a rather tasty blonde female copper, sort of softened the blow of being 30 Euro lighter.
If they are just cruising then yes they tend to turn a blind eye as long as you're safe.

tonywilliams

214 posts

224 months

Wednesday 24th August 2011
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In February this year 2 of my friends and I drove my British registered car to Amsterdam and back cruising at speeds of 200-220kph passing many speed cameras and we've not heard anything from the autorities in France, Belgium or Holland.

Before anyone posts telling me what we did isn't big or clever I'm fully aware of this. I'm not condoning what we did or the speed we were travelling at but I had personal reasons at the time.

Usually it's too much trouble for them to chase up foreign registered cars. If however an officer stops you for speeding you can expect a ticket and a large fine. Some of my friend were stopped several years ago in Switzerland for doing 70kph in a 50kph limit and were fined almost 1000 euros.

Edited by tonywilliams on Wednesday 24th August 01:04

Panayiotis

503 posts

231 months

Wednesday 24th August 2011
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I got flashed twice at easter time in a Hertz rental, no fine was ever mentioned nor charged to my credit card....I assumed it would be but its been 6 months now.

Hugo a Gogo

23,421 posts

255 months

Wednesday 24th August 2011
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tonywilliams said:
In February this year 2 of my friends and I drove my British registered car to Amsterdam and back cruising at speeds of 200-220kph passing many speed cameras and we've not heard anything from the autorities in France, Belgium or Holland.

Before anyone posts telling me what we did isn't big or clever I'm fully aware of this. I'm not condoning what we did or the speed we were travelling at but I had personal reasons at the time.

Usually it's too much trouble for them to chase up foreign registered cars. If however an officer stops you for speeding you can expect a ticket and a large fine. Some of my friend were stopped several years ago in Switzerland for doing 70kph in a 50kph limit and were fined almost 1000 euros.

Edited by tonywilliams on Wednesday 24th August 01:04
Hmm, Holland is a place where they definitely DO send fines abroad, big ones.

If you have outstanding fines (no matter how small) they WILL stop you at the airport or the ferry port if you go there