LEZ - Defender
Discussion
Search is down but am I right in thinking the following about the Low Emissions Zone in London?
2001 on Defenders in County Station Wagon trim only are immune to the LEZ as they meet emissions standards. This is because they have the TD5 engine and back seats.
Defenders before 2001 will need to pay £100 per day or upgrade with new filters etc at vast expense.
These 'immune' Defenders must be registered as 'station wagons' rather than 4x4 Utility vehicles on the V5. They are not all necessarily so as standard (?)
Is that right?
Many thanks
Stiggy
2001 on Defenders in County Station Wagon trim only are immune to the LEZ as they meet emissions standards. This is because they have the TD5 engine and back seats.
Defenders before 2001 will need to pay £100 per day or upgrade with new filters etc at vast expense.
These 'immune' Defenders must be registered as 'station wagons' rather than 4x4 Utility vehicles on the V5. They are not all necessarily so as standard (?)
Is that right?
Many thanks
Stiggy
Sort of correct.
Pre-2001 TD5 engines don't meet standard if the vehicle weight is over 1800kgs (IIRC) and the vehicle is classed as a "Large Van" by Twuntsport for London, and they base their blinkered and one-way decision on what it says on the V5.
If it's a Station Wagon chances are it's on the V5 as an "Estate Car" as opposed to the TD5 in van spec which is defined as a "Utility 4x4", and this is the critical bit.
Emission limits for cars are currently higher than commercials, so even though a TD5 van-body Defender is chucking out the same smoke as a TD5 County, it's apparently ok for the latter as it's a "car" not a "van", so it appears the emissions category is being determined by the number of windows the vehicle has. Good to see some thought and planning has gone in to all this eh?
Do not bother phoning Twuntsport for London to argue the toss unless you like listening to s brainwashed retard who doesn't even know what a Land Rover is.
THe good news is that Land Rover themselves are in talks swith DVLA to get ALL Defenders retrospectively reclassed by default to "Estate car" or "Car-based van".
Pre-2001 TD5 engines don't meet standard if the vehicle weight is over 1800kgs (IIRC) and the vehicle is classed as a "Large Van" by Twuntsport for London, and they base their blinkered and one-way decision on what it says on the V5.
If it's a Station Wagon chances are it's on the V5 as an "Estate Car" as opposed to the TD5 in van spec which is defined as a "Utility 4x4", and this is the critical bit.
Emission limits for cars are currently higher than commercials, so even though a TD5 van-body Defender is chucking out the same smoke as a TD5 County, it's apparently ok for the latter as it's a "car" not a "van", so it appears the emissions category is being determined by the number of windows the vehicle has. Good to see some thought and planning has gone in to all this eh?
Do not bother phoning Twuntsport for London to argue the toss unless you like listening to s brainwashed retard who doesn't even know what a Land Rover is.
THe good news is that Land Rover themselves are in talks swith DVLA to get ALL Defenders retrospectively reclassed by default to "Estate car" or "Car-based van".
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 25th August 18:20
Crossflow Kid said:
Sort of correct.
Pre-2001 TD5 engines don't meet standard if the vehicle weight is over 1800kgs (IIRC) and the vehicle is classed as a "Large Van" by Twuntsport for London, and they base their blinkered and one-way decision on what it says on the V5.
If it's a Station Wagon chances are it's on the V5 as an "Estate Car" as opposed to the TD5 in van spec which is defined as a "Utility 4x4", and this is the critical bit.
Emission limits for cars are currently higher than commercials, so even though a TD5 van-body Defender is chucking out the same smoke as a TD5 County, it's apparently ok for the latter as it's a "car" not a "van", so it appears the emissions category is being determined by the number of windows the vehicle has. Good to see some thought and planning has gone in to all this eh?
Do not bother phoning Twuntsport for London to argue the toss unless you like listening to s brainwashed retard who doesn't even know what a Land Rover is.
THe good news is that Land Rover themselves are in talks swith DVLA to get ALL Defenders retrospectively reclassed by default to "Estate car" or "Car-based van".
Very interesting, keep us updated please.Pre-2001 TD5 engines don't meet standard if the vehicle weight is over 1800kgs (IIRC) and the vehicle is classed as a "Large Van" by Twuntsport for London, and they base their blinkered and one-way decision on what it says on the V5.
If it's a Station Wagon chances are it's on the V5 as an "Estate Car" as opposed to the TD5 in van spec which is defined as a "Utility 4x4", and this is the critical bit.
Emission limits for cars are currently higher than commercials, so even though a TD5 van-body Defender is chucking out the same smoke as a TD5 County, it's apparently ok for the latter as it's a "car" not a "van", so it appears the emissions category is being determined by the number of windows the vehicle has. Good to see some thought and planning has gone in to all this eh?
Do not bother phoning Twuntsport for London to argue the toss unless you like listening to s brainwashed retard who doesn't even know what a Land Rover is.
THe good news is that Land Rover themselves are in talks swith DVLA to get ALL Defenders retrospectively reclassed by default to "Estate car" or "Car-based van".
Edited by Crossflow Kid on Thursday 25th August 18:20
Sarge 4x4 said:
Very interesting, keep us updated please.
Worth phoning LR* yourself too as they appear, (note: appear, this is just the impression I got) to be compiling a database to put before DVLA.- Use the number off their main website, tell them you love your Landy and are really impressed withit, explain the dullards at Twuntsport for London have chinned you off, sound a bit helpless and they'll forward your call to the office dealing with it. They took my name, number and VRN and gave me a direct dial number to call back in October to get an update if I've heard nothing by then.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 25th August 20:50
Thanks Crossflow Kid, good info 
So pre Td5 engines like the 300 Tdi and 200 Tdi are okay provided they are in Station Wagon mode and described as such on the V5? Means nothing about their actual emissions but about the windows...!
I'm just trying to work out if I have to buy a Td5 or I can go for an older, cheaper model without being done over by the twits at TFL.
Cheers
So pre Td5 engines like the 300 Tdi and 200 Tdi are okay provided they are in Station Wagon mode and described as such on the V5? Means nothing about their actual emissions but about the windows...!
I'm just trying to work out if I have to buy a Td5 or I can go for an older, cheaper model without being done over by the twits at TFL.
Cheers
The Stiglet said:
So pre Td5 engines like the 300 Tdi and 200 Tdi are okay provided they are in Station Wagon mode and described as such on the V5?
Not sure. Older trucks might fail no matter what spec they're in and to be honest I can see Twuntsport for London only making life more difficult in due course to the extent that ALL non-compliant vehicles regardless of body spec will be liable.You can thank Ken "Why can't everyone go everywhere on the bus?" Livingston for the idea, and Boris for not binning it.
The real shame of it is that this is yet another so-called environmental incentive to improve air quality ahead of some big school sports day or something, but an ill thought-out one that'll potentially see dozens of perfectly good vehicles scrapped and crushed, to be replaced by newer apparently greener versions that have cost the Earth (literally) to manufacture and have an invariably shorter life once in service.
I suggest all non-compliant wagons assemble in Parliament Square on the last day of freedom which is, I believe, Jan 2nd 2012.
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