What components needed for a 'new' reg?
What components needed for a 'new' reg?
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Woody

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2,189 posts

307 months

Friday 26th August 2011
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Hi guys,
I'm back with yet more questions! - Sorry smile

What components need to be new in order to obtain a new registration?

And is there any advantage in getting a new reg as opposed to the donor or a 'Q' plate?

Cheers

Chris

smeagol

1,947 posts

307 months

Friday 26th August 2011
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As far as I know for a new plate you need: Engine, Gearbox, Suspension, Running gear (axils etc.), steering, and Body work to be new.

I prefer a Q plate: Ageless, Easier to get from the DVLA, "I built it" credibility, and finally emissions test so much easier for the MOT. My New kit has not had a MOT yet as went on road this year, but previous kit car MOT emmisions test was simple visual only.

Advantages of new plate: Dates the car (better for selling?), No MOT for 3 years.

Hope thats helped

Frankthered

1,672 posts

203 months

Friday 26th August 2011
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My understanding is that every component has to be new - you would be expected to produce receipts to prove this. You are allowed for one major component to be reconditioned to as new condition.

It's an expensive way to go, but you probably would get better resale than a Q.

For me, the whole Q / new reg / age related plate isn't a big deal. Decide what car you want and then build it to get the reg that you want.

If you're not bothered, build what you want the way you want it and you'll get a Q.

The only thing about a Q (other than some people just don't like them for some reason) is that you can't change it for a personal plate. (If that's something that you'd want to do.

AdiT

1,025 posts

180 months

Friday 26th August 2011
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All major components (Chassis, Engine, Transmission, Suspension, Axles, Steering, Brakes and Bodywork) have to be new with the exception of one which must be "reconditioned as new". You have to fill in a declaration about the parts and provide reciepts. The forms are different when applying for registration. V55/4 and V55/5. One alows new reg' and if DVLA aren't satisfied you get a Q, the other for an age related plate and if not satisfied a Q. So once you opt to try and get a new reg' you can't have an age related one if you fail and vise-versa.
New allows you to swap for an private plate up to the year of registration.
Age related plate allows you to swap for private plate up to the year of the age related plate (you get a plate of the same year as the donor vehicle, not the donor vehicles reg').
Q plate can't be swapped.
All cars put through IVA (and later SVA ones) should be emmision tested at MOT to the same levels as at IVA, irrespective of the reg', so that advantage of a Q is now gone... unless you're lucky and get a tester who doesn't know the rules.

Woody

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Friday 26th August 2011
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Usefull to know - I always thought you retained the donor cars reg.
Thinking if I go down the 'Q' route I can mix and match.

If i bought a donor and wanted to use a newer/bigger engine would I be better off changing the log-book of the donor to the new engine number?

Chris

smeagol

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307 months

Friday 26th August 2011
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AdiT said:
All cars put through IVA (and later SVA ones) should be emmision tested at MOT to the same levels as at IVA, irrespective of the reg', so that advantage of a Q is now gone... unless you're lucky and get a tester who doesn't know the rules.
Thanks AdiT wasn't sure on that one. Mines an X-flow so its visual only. Do you know what happens if you change an engine? eg I IVA on 1600 x-flow, change later on to 2.0l Zetec what is the law then? I know I don't need another IVA and need to inform the DVLA but what about the emmisions test/mot? is it still visual only?

Steve_D

13,801 posts

281 months

Friday 26th August 2011
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Woody said:
......If i bought a donor and wanted to use a newer/bigger engine would I be better off changing the log-book of the donor to the new engine number?

Chris
No you are not allowed to do that.
First they would want proof that the replacement engine had been fitted to the car (donor).
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second I believe they are applying some rule that the vehicle has to have had that engine for more than a year and I've heard mentioned that they will only allow an age related donor if it has it's original engine.

Steve

AdiT

1,025 posts

180 months

Friday 26th August 2011
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smeagol said:
Thanks AdiT wasn't sure on that one. Mines an X-flow so its visual only. Do you know what happens if you change an engine? eg I IVA on 1600 x-flow, change later on to 2.0l Zetec what is the law then? I know I don't need another IVA and need to inform the DVLA but what about the emmisions test/mot? is it still visual only?
The emmision levels stay as at SVA/IVA with the old engine.

smeagol

1,947 posts

307 months

Friday 26th August 2011
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That's interesting scratchchin one for the future to think about. Thanks beer

Dave Dax builder

662 posts

282 months

Friday 26th August 2011
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AdiT said:
The emmision levels stay as at SVA/IVA with the old engine.
............Unless you want to declare the newer engine at the MOT test and then they will test it at the new levels. But why you might want to do that I don't know.
The same applies in reverse. ie. if you fit an older engine than what was fitted at the time of IVA then you only have to comply with the emission standards for the year the second engine was manufactured. You should provide evidence of the year of manufacture if asked.
The details on the V5 will not be changed from what they were at the time the vehicle was in initially registered after IVA.