Jaguar XF - thoughts?

[ST270]

Seen quite a few of these available for circa £23k - many 2009 models but even a few 2010's. Engines either 2.7 v6d or the newer 3.0 v6d (same engine as Range Rover Sport) which is meant to be a fantastic performer.

Car would be for old man as he is not happy with the new Focus he just bought and wants something more luxurious. Not doing big mileages but the examples I have seen have well under 30k on them anyway so it doesn't really enter the equation.

What are peoples thoughts against the usual suspects - BMW, Audi, VW, Merc? The Jag seems fantastic value with high spec and a little rarer I suppose?

[Hitch78]

I think they're lovely, with real presence and a fantastic interior. I came very close to picking up an SV8 recently and it still rankles that I didn't.

[0aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

If he's doing low mileage why not go for the V8?

[ST270]

0aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa said:

If he's doing low mileage why not go for the V8?

My sentiments too but despite him wanting more luxury he still likes the higher mpg figures - so I thought the V6 diesels might be more suited - plenty of torque!

[tinoproductions]

Those twin turbo v6 diesels are brutally fast.
Boss let me drive around in it for a few weeks and I would have lost my license if I kept it any longer.
You just don't NOTICE that you are going so quick, and they catapult forward when pressed on.

Excellent on the MPG front, and oh so lovely interior.
Thumbs up!

[ST270]

excel monkey said:

Great cars. At £23k for a two year old car with 30k miles, I would say that used prices are competitive with equivalent Audis and BMWs, but not "fantastic value".

Yeah your probably right in the current market - I had always assumed that a 530d or equivalent would be closer to £30k with that sort of mileage - It just surprised me when I saw them around that price.

[V88Dicky]

Tell him to MAN UP FFS, save himself several thousand pounds, and buy one of these


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...


Or if the supercharged V8s are too 'man' for him, there's the buttery smooth V6;

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...

[ST270]

V88Dicky said:

Tell him to MAN UP FFS, save himself several thousand pounds, and buy one of these


http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...



http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...


Or if the supercharged V8s are too 'man' for him, there's the buttery smooth V6;

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2011...

When you put it like that..... it makes sense! The wheels on the first 2 examples look fantastic!

[excel monkey]

ST270 said:

excel monkey said:

Great cars. At £23k for a two year old car with 30k miles, I would say that used prices are competitive with equivalent Audis and BMWs, but not "fantastic value".

Yeah your probably right in the current market - I had always assumed that a 530d or equivalent would be closer to £30k with that sort of mileage - It just surprised me when I saw them around that price.

JLR management will be pleased with the way the car is holding its value. Means the car is in demand and seen as a credible alternative to Audi/BMW/Merc. Also means they can be a little bit more generous with the GMFV when they offer PCP deals...

[FamilyDub]

I'd rather the XF 3.0d than a 5-series or E-class equivalent, TBH.

Just looks nicer, better interior and more comfy too, I'd wager.

...Probably prefer the XF-R than M5 or E63 AMG either, thinking about it as well...

[rfn]

The petrol v6 is the worst engine available in the XF, partially why you can't get it any more!!

The diesel v6, initially a 2.7 and now a 3.0 are exceptional, twin turbo diesels.

The SV8, which was a supercharged 4.2 litre v8 was available at launch is also a good engine, but the diesel is Much more economical and id pick that if I was buying.

My father is on his second diesel one (initially a 2.7 but he now has a 2010 3.0, it's a great car!

[KaraK]

We've got one currently in our pool fleet at work (company car from a guy who left) - pretty sure it's the 2.7D one. I've driven it a couple of times and it really is fantastic, interior is lovely seems to have power available if/when required. If I had mid-20s to spend on a barge it would be my first place of call.

[Highrisedrifter]

My last executive car was a company Beemer and I now have a privately bought 3.0 XF Portfolio S. It is, without a doubt, far superior to the BMW/Audi I had and I would recommend it any day. I've had a few different executive cars over the years and the XF stands head and shoulders above any of them.

The level of comfort, ride quality, the fit and finish are all excellent.

EDIT: and I regularly get over 35mpg too!

Edited by Highrisedrifter on Monday 5th September 16:48

[Elroy Blue]

We have the diesels at work. They have great presence and the interiors have stood up well to the hammering we give them. Unfortunately, they haven't been particularly reliable. One rogue car has had a new engine and is constantly off the road. Others suffer mysterious starting failures. Get to a job and on returning to the car, it just won't start. Completely dead. It's been very disappointing because we all thought they were great when they arrived.

[Ramses]

I looked at the XF TT Diesel.

It's a belting car, rediculously quick, the cabin immediately appeals, metal dash, nice little quirks. We had for half a day and were very impressed.

BUT.....

We then gave it back and did the same with a 5-series immediately after. The XF is a looker, and the interior looks special, but is in reality quirky, and you soon tire of it. The touch screen is an arse. Not accurate, too low down and simply dangerous on the move. Plus the seats aren't as comfy, the ride not as good, the grip not as good, the diesel is more 'dieselly' and the overall design suddenly looks old now that the new version is out.

It's a great car.....but the BMW is simply better.

IMO of course

[V88Dicky]

A good friend of mine is a senior Jag technician and is full of praise for the AJV8 engines in these. He also said that the diesels have major failings and were constantly in and out for engine warranty claims.
Make of that what you will.



As far as servicing costs are concerned, the OH's S-type V8 has just been serviced at Jaguar, for a smidge over 200 quid.

[SSBB]

Be careful of buying the diesel if he is doing only town driving as it has a DPF. Although, it only takes 10 mins (if that) at >50mph to burn it off. Otherwise, the 3.0 diesel is a good engine, the S version even more so. I would be tempted by the V8 if I was doing low miles.

To be fair, even though the petrol V6 and the 2.7D get some stick, I think every XF is at least as good as the equivalent BMW/Merc (unless you want the high economy 4 pot diesels or a manual). Just beware the 20" rims which don't help the ride.

[Highrisedrifter]

V88Dicky said:

A good friend of mine is a senior Jag technician and is full of praise for the AJV8 engines in these. He also said that the diesels have major failings and were constantly in and out for engine warranty claims.
Make of that what you will.

As far as servicing costs are concerned, the OH's S-type V8 has just been serviced at Jaguar, for a smidge over 200 quid.

I suppose there must be some bad cars with every manufacturer but it's interesting that your Jag tech friend says there are issues with the diesels as i've had mine since March last year and the only times it has been back to the dealer are for servicing in accordance with the service schedule. Absolutely no warning lights or problems with it in any way. I could have just been very lucky I guess.

In fact, it has blown my expectations out of the water. Both the Audi and BMW i've had relatively recently had to go back for numerous warranty fixes, which started to wear a bit thin with me after a while especially as the same problems kept cropping up again and again.

Servicing costs for the 3.0 S Portfolio were around £300 or so I seem to recall. I don't know if the servicing costs would be less on the Luxury or Premium Luxury models.

[davepoth]

I should have thought the diesels outsell the petrols by two to one at least, and do many more miles, so it's not really surprising if they need more work...

[V88Dicky]

davepoth said:

I should have thought the diesels outsell the petrols by two to one at least, and do many more miles, so it's not really surprising if they need more work...

I see where you're coming from, but it seems to concern cars of varying mileages as far as the DPF goes (perhaps not enough long journies to regenerate them?), and I remember him mentioning turbos which weren't fit for purpose. Incidently, the Range Rovers with the same engine seem to have even more warranty work required in this area!