Student loan repayment penalties
Student loan repayment penalties
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bob1179

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14,140 posts

239 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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I've been hearing this on the news this morning, the government is proposing to charge students extra who wish to make early repayments or even completely clear their student loans early.

Is this another way of 'taxing' those that earn more or is it fair that those who earn more should pay extra if they wish to clear their loans early?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-14836202

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smashing

1,613 posts

191 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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I thought it would have been seen as a good thing to get out of debt as quick as possible...obviously not!

hornetrider

63,161 posts

235 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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smashing said:
I thought it would have been seen as a good thing to get out of debt as quick as possible...obviously not!
It's good for the student - but not for the government hoovering up the cash.

Simond S

4,519 posts

307 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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Early repayment penalties occur in a lot of loan scenarios.

It would apply to so few graduates, let's be honest, most will leave and still struggle to find a job in Tesco while believing they are due a city job paying £40k because they went to Uni.

The few that it applies to will be the type who justifies further learning, has a defined career path or is absolutely dedicated to furthering themselves and University was a stepping stone toward a long term goal. They are the type that will want to rid themselves of the student loan as an acomplishment.

And fair play to them.

smashing

1,613 posts

191 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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hornetrider said:
It's good for the student - but not for the government hoovering up the cash.
I know *sigh*

bob1179

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14,140 posts

239 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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I would have thought in this current climate we would be encouraging students to pay back what they owe earlier as the government would want to recover as much money as possible?

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Corsair7

20,911 posts

277 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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Organisations that loan money make their business possible with the promise of long term future repayments with an interest baring element. That's how the business is funded. Thats how they get a percentage return.

If loans are repaid early, the lending organisation may not recoup the costs involved in setting up the loan.

As the government has probbaly repackaged these loans and sold them on as a future vehicle for providing an income, they probably dont want them paid off early as the lack of future interest earnings probably means the loans will run at a net loss, which the tax payer would have to cover.


There has to be a better way though, it really sticks.

Jobbo

13,889 posts

294 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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bob1179 said:
Is this another way of 'taxing' those that earn more or is it fair that those who earn more should pay extra if they wish to clear their loans early?
Looking at that article, they make 3% more out of higher earners if they don't pay the loans back early. What a stupid regressive 'tax'.

KaraK

13,866 posts

239 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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I can't see why anyone would be in a hurry to pay back their student loans. It's pretty much the cheapest money you'll ever borrow and I've known several people have long drawn out arguments with the SLC after they have accepted additional payments and then "forgotten" they ever happened.

Mine is happily ticking away every month and I'm happy to leave it to it.

youngsyr

14,742 posts

222 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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KaraK said:
I can't see why anyone would be in a hurry to pay back their student loans. It was pretty much the cheapest money you'll ever borrow and I've known several people have long drawn out arguments with the SLC after they have accepted additional payments and then "forgotten" they ever happened.

Mine is happily ticking away every month and I'm happy to leave it to it.
EFA.

You may wish to check out the commercial loan rates students starting in 2012 will be charged on their loans.

roachcoach

3,975 posts

185 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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Money not spend repaying a loan will likely be spent in the economy. Something which lets this happen earlier surely cannot be a bad thing?!

Prof Prolapse

16,163 posts

220 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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youngsyr said:
You may wish to check out the commercial loan rates students starting in 2012 will be charged on their loans.
It's only RPI + 3%. Given that the minimum payment is only 9% above £21,000 earnings and it gets written off after 30 years it's still easily the best loan you'll ever get.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/student-lo...


youngsyr

14,742 posts

222 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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Prof Prolapse said:
youngsyr said:
You may wish to check out the commercial loan rates students starting in 2012 will be charged on their loans.
It's only RPI + 3%. Given that the minimum payment is only 9% above £21,000 earnings and it gets written off after 30 years it's still easily the best loan you'll ever get.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/student-lo...
Only RPI + 3%?!! Cheap as chips!! You do realise that's currently 8% for a loan where the repayments are deducted at source from someone's legally declarable income!

If you think that's cheap then remind me never to ask you for financial advice!

Cheapest loan you'll ever get?! You may wish to consider the cheaper loans that are available on the very same website you linked!

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cards/?tab=2





Edited by youngsyr on Friday 9th September 13:53

Strachan

6,419 posts

184 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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KaraK said:
I can't see why anyone would be in a hurry to pay back their student loans. It's pretty much the cheapest money you'll ever borrow and I've known several people have long drawn out arguments with the SLC after they have accepted additional payments and then "forgotten" they ever happened.

Mine is happily ticking away every month and I'm happy to leave it to it.
Because presently I am losing £400 a month of my net salary so it is going to be a nice weight or pay rise when it's gone. Equivalent to another 10k...

Prof Prolapse

16,163 posts

220 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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youngsyr said:
Only RPI + 3%?!! Cheap as chips!! You do realise that's currently 8% for a loan where the repayments are deducted at source from someone's legally declarable income!

If you think that's cheap then remind me never to ask you for financial advice!

Cheapest loan you'll ever get?! You may wish to consider the cheaper loans that are available on the very same website you linked!

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/cards/?tab=2
The payments are only taken on 8% of your income over £21,000. I.e. £80 a year, or £6 a month if you earn £22,000.

If it's not paid for within 30 years (which a significant number won't be at such a low repayment) then it's written off by the state.

It's also not secured against your home and the repayments stop as soon as you stop earning below the £21,000 threshold. If you lost your job for example.

Also there's not a student out there who can get a better rate than 8% on a loan of £20,000 with no job and the chance they will (perhaps ever) get a job to pay it off in the future.

Best loan you'll ever have. Even if it is more expensive than it used to be.






Edited by Prof Prolapse on Friday 9th September 22:00

youngsyr

14,742 posts

222 months

Friday 9th September 2011
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Prof Prolapse said:
Best loan you'll ever have.
... if you never earn more than £22k. rolleyes

Most students are slightly more ambitious than that though and many would quite easily be able to get a lower rate unsecured loan from a high street bank the moment they graduate than what they'd be paying on their student loan.



0a

24,159 posts

224 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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youngsyr said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Best loan you'll ever have.
... if you never earn more than £22k. rolleyes

Most students are slightly more ambitious than that though and many would quite easily be able to get a lower rate unsecured loan from a high street bank the moment they graduate than what they'd be paying on their student loan.
But the point is no student will get the rate in your link, and at the very least the £22k is a kind of insurance against it all going wrong. Instead of a monthly payment of £X, it's a sliding scale with income.

Ozzie Osmond

21,189 posts

276 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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Early repayment penalties on any loan, but especially to a private individual, are IMO completely immoral.

If the lender has "costs" of advancing the loan they should either be dealt with up-front or accepted as a business risk if early repayment occurs.

Deva Link

26,934 posts

275 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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youngsyr said:
Only RPI + 3%?!! Cheap as chips!! You do realise that's currently 8% for a loan where the repayments are deducted at source from someone's legally declarable income!
Funny the bds chose RPI when they're moving everything else to CPI. rolleyes

Prof Prolapse

16,163 posts

220 months

Saturday 10th September 2011
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0a said:
youngsyr said:
Prof Prolapse said:
Best loan you'll ever have.
... if you never earn more than £22k. rolleyes

Most students are slightly more ambitious than that though and many would quite easily be able to get a lower rate unsecured loan from a high street bank the moment they graduate than what they'd be paying on their student loan.
But the point is no student will get the rate in your link, and at the very least the £22k is a kind of insurance against it all going wrong. Instead of a monthly payment of £X, it's a sliding scale with income.
This chap gets it.

I know what you're saying youngsyr, but as the chap above says, the flexibility on payments, lack of pressure on repayments and the fact it requires no credit history (and doesn't adversely affect credit history should it be written off) really does make up for the rate.