Claire's law
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AngryApples

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Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Proposal now to create a law allowing women (and men) to approach the Police to ask if their prospective partner has convictions for domestic violence

On the face of it, sounds like a good idea to me, can't see you'd have a problem unless you had something to hide?

Example given (the "Claire") was killed by her partner who had previous for stalking and attacking an ex, despite the fact she had moved many miles away, changed name and appearance

JaybirdUK

1,867 posts

197 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Sounds perfectly acceptable to me, some people have a dark violent past and a woman has the right to know.

Can guys also check up on woman to see if they are a mental?

Getragdogleg

10,270 posts

213 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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If Men were to check if women were mental then there would be a lot more single men.

Busa_Rush

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281 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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JaybirdUK said:
Sounds perfectly acceptable to me, some people have a dark violent past and a woman has the right to know.
Nobody has a "right" to know about somebody else's past . . . how bizarre to suggest that.

What else should other people have a "right" to know . . . if you're irresponsible with money, ever taken drugs, ever ogled your ex wife's sister . . . the list goes on . . . where dos the line get drawn ? Will it become a legal requirement to register driving convictions with a "woman's safety register" so she can asses a man's driving history before getting in his car ?

This is a seriously bad idea, on a par with publishing the addresses of all the local paedophiles so the local soft lads can go and make themselves look tough. Ill conceived rubbish from the hard of thinking.


Melvin Udall

73,668 posts

285 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Busa_Rush said:
Nobody has a "right" to know about somebody else's past . . . how bizarre to suggest that.

What else should other people have a "right" to know . . . if you're irresponsible with money, ever taken drugs, ever ogled your ex wife's sister . . . the list goes on . . . where dos the line get drawn ? Will it become a legal requirement to register driving convictions with a "woman's safety register" so she can asses a man's driving history before getting in his car ?

This is a seriously bad idea, on a par with publishing the addresses of all the local paedophiles so the local soft lads can go and make themselves look tough. Ill conceived rubbish from the hard of thinking.
Agree... It won't be liked, but there you go.

AngryApples

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Tuesday 13th September 2011
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I'm sure you'd feel different if a woman you knew was assaulted by a guy that turned out to have previous for such things

I can't see that someone that's capable of violent crime against a woman is likely to change that much, past or not

We are talking about SERIOUS violent crime here, not "he was a bit horrid to me"

Also, details wont be released, just "clear" or "history" (appreciate though this could be seen as a bad thing)

And yes, as in the OP, men would be able to check for bunnny boilers as well

craigjm

21,628 posts

230 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Busa_Rush said:
Nobody has a "right" to know about somebody else's past . . . how bizarre to suggest that.

What else should other people have a "right" to know . . . if you're irresponsible with money, ever taken drugs, ever ogled your ex wife's sister . . . the list goes on . . . where dos the line get drawn ? Will it become a legal requirement to register driving convictions with a "woman's safety register" so she can asses a man's driving history before getting in his car ?

This is a seriously bad idea, on a par with publishing the addresses of all the local paedophiles so the local soft lads can go and make themselves look tough. Ill conceived rubbish from the hard of thinking.
agreed, laws like this would basically assume that people don't make mistakes and they don't reform.

JaybirdUK

1,867 posts

197 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Busa_Rush said:
Nobody has a "right" to know about somebody else's past . . . how bizarre to suggest that.

What else should other people have a "right" to know . . . if you're irresponsible with money, ever taken drugs, ever ogled your ex wife's sister . . . the list goes on . . . where dos the line get drawn ?
Your wrong, as an employer I have the right To do a criminal background check on prospective employees. Money issues and ogling your ex wife's sister don't net you a criminal record as far as I'm aware.



Y282

20,566 posts

202 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Have to say i like the idea of being able to check if a potential female partner has ever been done for assault on a partner, damage of property or similar.

Fittster

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243 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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AngryApples said:
Proposal now to create a law allowing women (and men) to approach the Police to ask if their prospective partner has convictions for domestic violence
How does the law define prospective partner?

craigjm

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230 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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JaybirdUK said:
Your wrong, as an employer I have the right To do a criminal background check on prospective employees. Money issues and ogling your ex wife's sister don't net you a criminal record as far as I'm aware.
They can as it could be money laundering or voyeurism (and yes people have been convicted of that even though its an old law fairly recently)

The point with a CRB is that you can ONLY do it if the job puts people into contact with the vulnerable and you can only do it if the person consents

Y282

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202 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Fittster said:
AngryApples said:
Proposal now to create a law allowing women (and men) to approach the Police to ask if their prospective partner has convictions for domestic violence
How does the law define prospective partner?
Hang on, ive got a legal dictionary to hand...

"Slipped into a bit but not yet hanging out of"

craigjm

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230 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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The biggest hurdle for laws like this actually happening though is Article 8 of the Human Rights Act

JaybirdUK

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197 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Y282 said:
Hang on, ive got a legal dictionary to hand...

"Slipped into a bit but not yet hanging out of"
roflrofl

Jimbo.

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219 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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JaybirdUK said:
Can guys also check up on woman to see if they are a mental?
It's assumed, non?

Y282

20,566 posts

202 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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JaybirdUK said:
Y282 said:
Hang on, ive got a legal dictionary to hand...

"Slipped into a bit but not yet hanging out of"
roflrofl
That'll be five hundred pounds plus expenses.

Busa_Rush

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281 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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JaybirdUK said:
Busa_Rush said:
Nobody has a "right" to know about somebody else's past . . . how bizarre to suggest that.

What else should other people have a "right" to know . . . if you're irresponsible with money, ever taken drugs, ever ogled your ex wife's sister . . . the list goes on . . . where dos the line get drawn ?
Your wrong, as an employer I have the right To do a criminal background check on prospective employees. Money issues and ogling your ex wife's sister don't net you a criminal record as far as I'm aware.
No, you are wrong, you can ask me to have one . . . I can refuse. You have no "right" at all.


Y282

20,566 posts

202 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Depends on the job. I had to have crb clearance to work with kids.

You know, the same checks as they gave ian huntley.

heppers75

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247 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Let's not sleepwalk into it ladies and gents...

Melvin Udall

73,668 posts

285 months

Tuesday 13th September 2011
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As someone asked, how do you determine who is a partner, or not? What privacy protocols are in place?