Road pricing again
Discussion
You thought it was dead but you signed the petition you voted Tory.
But it's coming back
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14903028
But it's only a think tank
But it's coming back
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14903028
But it's only a think tank
XitUp said:
I can't see them replacing fuel duty with it. Fuel duty is too profitable and easy to get. Replacing VED maybe.
Its more to do with combating the decline in tax revenues from petrol/diesel. It will be spun politically as a reduction in tax on fuel, when in fact as an overall figure its going down anyway whilst road charging makes more tax. Of course, this only works if there is a tenable alternative to petrol/diesel.-P
roachcoach said:
Did anyone really think this would ever die?
It is inevitable.
Absolutely.It is inevitable.
1. The Galileo satellite built by the EU and European Space Agency costs upwards of 20 Billion and needs to be paid for (justified)
2. Easy for the EU to put a Europe wide tax on cars.
3. If Govts. do force people into electric cars, they lose their environmental argument about dirty old petrol/diesel and therefore need to recoup the tax they lose.
4. Whatever they promise, this will not be tax neutral overall. It will raise more money.
I'd love to see the working for rationalising spending billions of pounds to build the infrastructure and systems to create an extremely complicated and technology reliant system that does almost exactly the same job slightly more efficiently than the current, simple system.
Having had a quick scan through the relevant chapter of the report there doesn't appear to be any real working, just an expressed opinion based on conjecture and the Labour spun DfT report from 2006 which probably sparked the initial backlash against it.
They give a cursory nod to electric vehicles reducing fuel duty revenue (which, even as an EV believer is highly unlikely to happen in any serious numbers for another 20 years at least), but really it's probably motivated by a little comment stuck in there about the 'possibility of changing quite radically how the highway network is owned and financed'
i.e. Ways to privatise the road network.
Having had a quick scan through the relevant chapter of the report there doesn't appear to be any real working, just an expressed opinion based on conjecture and the Labour spun DfT report from 2006 which probably sparked the initial backlash against it.
They give a cursory nod to electric vehicles reducing fuel duty revenue (which, even as an EV believer is highly unlikely to happen in any serious numbers for another 20 years at least), but really it's probably motivated by a little comment stuck in there about the 'possibility of changing quite radically how the highway network is owned and financed'
i.e. Ways to privatise the road network.
The Wookie said:
I'd love to see the working for rationalising spending billions of pounds to build the infrastructure and systems to create an extremely complicated and technology reliant system that does almost exactly the same job slightly more efficiently than the current, simple system.
Because after a week it'll have paid for itself and paid off the national debt by means of speeding fines 
The Wookie said:
I'd love to see the working for rationalising spending billions of pounds to build the infrastructure and systems to create an extremely complicated and technology reliant system that does almost exactly the same job slightly more efficiently than the current, simple system.
The complete workings are as followsCost= Zero as its the taxpayer who is paying
Reason = Because they can
Cupramax said:
Over my dead body... It wont happen, you saw what happened when they tried it on with Manchester.
The Manchester result was exactly what I predicted - right down to the percentages.However we will be getting it in Manchester - it'll either be painted in a different way or - my best guess - we'll get a mayor like London. Said mayor - probably Richard Leese - will simply introduce the congestion charge at the stroke of a pen. Simple as that. Nothing you can do about it.
No ifs. No buts. I will happen, the vote just changed the date. And it'll be almost world-wide - there were an awful lot of governments round the world hanging onto the results of the Manchester vote, and it wasn't the result I wanted to hear.
(Annoyingly my prospective nephew works for a passenger transport body in Sheffield - they had champagne on ice ready for the result of the Manchester vote as it would have opened the floodgates and they'd have been cashing in a fortune. They didn't get to drink it. This time).
hora said:
Tram extensions etc still went ahead though...
What a complete waste of time - replacing proper rail with light rail trams 
What is the fascination with trams? The money spent would surely be a lot better spent on dedicated bus lanes (ie. specially built, not stolen from other road users). Lot cheaper and the whole thing will not collapse in a heap if one vehicle breaks down or a computer fails. Manchesters trams are a farce: I wouldn't use them to get to work (certainly not when you work for yourself)).
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