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just found this on dft site, don't know if it's been posted before?
External vehicle speed control project - introduction
The aim of the External Vehicle Speed Control (EVSC) project has been to review a broad range of factors related to the possible introduction of an automatic system to limit the top speed of road vehicles. No policy decision has been made on whether or not to move ahead with the implementation of such a system for the vehicles on Britain's roads. The project is intended as a piece of research to provide information on the likely benefits and costs associated with the variants of a speed-limiting system, on driver behaviour while using the system, on the network side effects of limiting vehicle maximum speed and on possible implementation scenarios.
The research into EVSC is in line with the view expressed in the White Paper of July 1998 "A New Deal for Transport: Better for Everyone" that the capabilities of technology are changing very rapidly. The White Paper, in discussing technologies for enforcement, make specific reference to the potential for linking the technologies used in adaptive cruise control to geographic information systems in order to make speed limits self-enforcing.
it seems possible then that soon we will be unable to speed anyway!
External vehicle speed control project - introduction
The aim of the External Vehicle Speed Control (EVSC) project has been to review a broad range of factors related to the possible introduction of an automatic system to limit the top speed of road vehicles. No policy decision has been made on whether or not to move ahead with the implementation of such a system for the vehicles on Britain's roads. The project is intended as a piece of research to provide information on the likely benefits and costs associated with the variants of a speed-limiting system, on driver behaviour while using the system, on the network side effects of limiting vehicle maximum speed and on possible implementation scenarios.
The research into EVSC is in line with the view expressed in the White Paper of July 1998 "A New Deal for Transport: Better for Everyone" that the capabilities of technology are changing very rapidly. The White Paper, in discussing technologies for enforcement, make specific reference to the potential for linking the technologies used in adaptive cruise control to geographic information systems in order to make speed limits self-enforcing.
it seems possible then that soon we will be unable to speed anyway!
...so there will be no more speed cameras, as they will have nothing to do... then one disconnects one of the HT leads, connects it to the EVSC unit's antenna, turns the engine over a few times, puts the HT lead back, and does any speed with impunity.
Might not be such a bad idea after all!
Might not be such a bad idea after all!
It's hard to imagine anything worse for road safety than an entire nation of drivers with their foot to the floor and their speed controlled to a set limit by external means.
When something goes wrong ahead will they be ready to respond? Of course not.
Clearly the idiots behind such schemes have forgotten that even 20mph is a deadly speed.
When something goes wrong ahead will they be ready to respond? Of course not.
Clearly the idiots behind such schemes have forgotten that even 20mph is a deadly speed.
safespeed said:
It's hard to imagine anything worse for road safety than an entire nation of drivers with their foot to the floor and their speed controlled to a set limit by external means.
When something goes wrong ahead will they be ready to respond? Of course not.
Clearly the idiots behind such schemes have forgotten that even 20mph is a deadly speed.
Ah But! It's all about "control"!!!
NOT controlling the CAR!!! It's about THEM controlling YOU!!!
P.S. "1984" will be a bit Late!!!
>> Edited by 8Pack on Saturday 12th June 00:21
maybe this is the only way they will learn that speed is not the major cause of death on our roads. I would be willing to bet a rather large amount that if this was implemented deaths would still be approx the same each year. Maybe only then will these complete and untter twats realise that better driver education and better enginered roads and more traff police is the only way to reduce deaths on the road
basically, its all down to what Paul says about "appropriate speed for the conditions", ie 5/10mph outside a school for example, but not necesarily 40 mph in what should e a 60 mph zone, no junctions etc!, God I do wish numpties would refrain from jumping red lights, opening their doors in the face of oncoming traffic, parking ON corners, zig zags etc! etc, rant, rant, rant!
mattd said:
maybe this is the only way they will learn that speed is not the major cause of death on our roads. I would be willing to bet a rather large amount that if this was implemented deaths would still be approx the same each year. Maybe only then will these complete and untter twats realise that better driver education and better enginered roads and more traff police is the only way to reduce deaths on the road
Maybe.. but I think they would implement it, find out it didn't work and then try something else AS WELL!
The U.K. motorway speed limit was a "trial" and has never been altered even though most of Europe has an 80mph limit and Italy (god bless them) have a 95mph limit.
mattd said:
maybe this is the only way they will learn that speed is not the major cause of death on our roads. I would be willing to bet a rather large amount that if this was implemented deaths would still be approx the same each year. Maybe only then will these complete and untter twats realise that better driver education and better enginered roads and more traff police is the only way to reduce deaths on the road
I'd like to agree, but as with speed cameras the answer would be "we need more", not "we made a mistake". The speed control would match the speed limits, so all they'd need to do would be to reduce them further.....and further.....and further.....
Project headed by Prof OIiver Carsten, Leeds University.
Find his details here, under staff www.its.leeds.ac.uk/
The project put several satellite limiter equipped cars in the hands of volunteers for six(?) months for evaluation. That was some time ago, and it's been very quiet since then.
Wonder if one was involved in a serious RTA?
Note the good professor's qualifications...starts BA history, UK, ends PhD history, USA.
'Nuff said.
He gave evidence to the Commons Transport Select Committee circus, alongside Brunstrom, for the speed investigation.
See the full minutes here
www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmtlgr/557/2013001.htm
Bruntrom is at the top, Carsten near the end.
Get your sick bags before reading.
Find his details here, under staff www.its.leeds.ac.uk/
The project put several satellite limiter equipped cars in the hands of volunteers for six(?) months for evaluation. That was some time ago, and it's been very quiet since then.
Wonder if one was involved in a serious RTA?
Note the good professor's qualifications...starts BA history, UK, ends PhD history, USA.
'Nuff said.
He gave evidence to the Commons Transport Select Committee circus, alongside Brunstrom, for the speed investigation.
See the full minutes here
www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm200102/cmselect/cmtlgr/557/2013001.htm
Bruntrom is at the top, Carsten near the end.
Get your sick bags before reading.
Just imagine if (*cough* when) the biometric id cards come in.. match that up with somoe nifty gps / credit card / doped RF quid coins (no I'm not paranoid honestly ;P) and they wont *care* if you are in a car..
They'll fine you for your body being tracked at travelling more than the speed limit.
Don't you love technology
They'll fine you for your body being tracked at travelling more than the speed limit.
Don't you love technology
towman said:
It's hard to imagine anything worse for road safety than an entire nation of drivers with their foot to the floor and their speed controlled to a set limit by external means.
Exhibit A your honour - HGVs. I rest my case.
yeah - and how many times do u see irate w
rs up the arse of a 38tonner in the outside lane of the A1 doing 0.3mph more than his slightly underpowered counterpart on the inside lane? if he wasn't limited to 56mph - he'd be touching 75mph while overtaking - thus not being in anyones way etc.....
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