Realistically, what is this E-Type worth?

[uk66fastback]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Jaguar-E-Type-/3306...

Surfing around US ebay (as you do) - looking at projects etc - saw this old E-Type - not really interested in it - seller has the kind of percentage positive feedback which could mistakenly by some uninformed people be construed as *rubbish* but by further investigation and delving into their sales history on one of the world's leading auction sites, be spun so as to be not quite as bad as at first thought, proving them to be a conscientious and able member of said auction site and it looks a money pit etc - but I've no real idea what these are worth (apart from loads usually).

Is there a time when EVEN an E-Type is beyond help?

Edit: here's a much better proposition, but again - worth what?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1967-Jaguar-XKE-/13...

Edited by uk66fastback on Thursday 15th September 00:16

Edited by uk66fastback on Friday 16th September 11:55

[1954etype]

Someone did a calculation that to restore an E Type properly, it would cost about £70K (assuming you do a lot of the mechanical work yourself and it requires a total restoration). Note that this cost would apply to all E Types. You can buy a very nice S1 2+2 for around £25k (if you can find one for sale).

In my view, you would have to consider the value of the car if you broke it (there are a lot of valuable parts on a Series 1 2+2) that are compatible with all Series 1 cars (seats £500, engine £1000, Carbs £750, Gearbox £750 etc) but you have the hassle of taking it to bits and selling the parts.

Quick question, long answer. Probably not worth entertaining, buy a good, restored, complete car.

[bigblock]

[quote=uk66fastback]

Surfing around US ebay (as you do) - looking at projects etc - saw this old E-Type - not really interested in it - seller has rubbish feedback and it looks a money pit etc [/ quote]


Why do you say the seller has "rubbish feedback" ? From what I can see he has carried out 1522 transactions in the past few years, some of them for various classic cars, and has only one negative comment. That comment relates a buyer being unhappy with the paintwork and brakes of a 1997 XK8 with 126,000miles for which he paid £3240. I would probably say what was he expecting for that kind of money. All the rest of his customers seem very happy with their tranactions.

I think you do an apparently genuine seller a dis-service with your ill-considered remark.

[singlecoil]

bigblock said:

uk66fastback said:

Surfing around US ebay (as you do) - looking at projects etc - saw this old E-Type - not really interested in it - seller has rubbish feedback and it looks a money pit etc

Why do you say the seller has "rubbish feedback" ? From what I can see he has carried out 1522 transactions in the past few years, some of them for various classic cars, and has only one negative comment. That comment relates a buyer being unhappy with the paintwork and brakes of a 1997 XK8 with 126,000miles for which he paid £3240. I would probably say what was he expecting for that kind of money. All the rest of his customers seem very happy with their tranactions.

I think you do an apparently genuine seller a dis-service with your ill-considered remark.

92.3% feedback is not very good, though. Perhaps the ebay computer made a mistake?

[uk66fastback]

Sorry Doug - 92.3% is appalling! And would certainly make me think twice ... even more so overseas

I'm not sure what you would consider rubbish feedback if you think that is an okay one!

[1954etype]

You've got to love PH! Someone asks a question about a car and it turns into a debate about eBay feedback. Cosmic!

[pacoryan]

The series one is a rolling ID tag basically, no engine and latticework shell - maybe a candidate for a bitsa roadster conversion with a re-shell and another lump and box. Even a non-matching numbers, ex-fhc, S1 roadster is worth a lot more than an original 2+2 auto.

[Jagmanv12]

uk66fastback said:

Sorry Doug - 92.3% is appalling! And would certainly make me think twice ... even more so overseas

I'm not sure what you would consider rubbish feedback if you think that is an okay one!

This shows how rubbish ebay feedback ratings are. It might be 92.3% but there is only one negative feedback, which could have been left by an idiot buyer. They do exist.

There are sellers with 98 or 99% feedback and have several negatives but because they have sold loads of items their percentage is higher.

[singlecoil]

Jagmanv12 said:

uk66fastback said:

Sorry Doug - 92.3% is appalling! And would certainly make me think twice ... even more so overseas

I'm not sure what you would consider rubbish feedback if you think that is an okay one!

This shows how rubbish ebay feedback ratings are. It might be 92.3% but there is only one negative feedback, which could have been left by an idiot buyer. They do exist.

There are sellers with 98 or 99% feedback and have several negatives but because they have sold loads of items their percentage is higher.

How do we know there is only one negative? Has someone been back through 70 pages to check, or, perhaps, as asked earlier, the ebay computer made a mistake?

[bigblock]

uk66fastback said:

Sorry Doug - 92.3% is appalling! And would certainly make me think twice ... even more so overseas

I'm not sure what you would consider rubbish feedback if you think that is an okay one!

Mike,I would agree that 92.3% is not very good if it was calculated across all of his 1522 transactions. However ebay only calculate over the last 12 months during which time he has had 12 transactions only one of which was negative but this has reduced his rating to only 92.3%.

Looking beyond the percentage figure a little research shows that he has sold several classics at up to $25,000 plus a load of spares and all of his customers appear happy. As has been mentioned previously one negative feedback (from a person who perhaps was being unrealistic in their expectations of a high mileage 14 year old car) can have a disproportionate effect on a sellers ebay rating.

The point I am trying to make is that before you state that a seller has rubbish feedback a little time spent researching the seller might have given you a different perspective. I find ebay quite a useful tool for buying spares etc and I feel that anyone making a genuine effort to source and sell classics and spares should be given a fair hearing before being dismissed as rubbish. Would you consider that to be a reasonable request.

[tr7v8]

Jagmanv12 said:

uk66fastback said:

Sorry Doug - 92.3% is appalling! And would certainly make me think twice ... even more so overseas

I'm not sure what you would consider rubbish feedback if you think that is an okay one!

This shows how rubbish ebay feedback ratings are. It might be 92.3% but there is only one negative feedback, which could have been left by an idiot buyer. They do exist.

There are sellers with 98 or 99% feedback and have several negatives but because they have sold loads of items their percentage is higher.

My view is his feedback is fine as well. 1 negative over that amount of sales, especially someone who bought a car that the guy quite openly says needs work.
I take the attitude that every business will find some mong out there who is too stupid to understand or doesn't want to & will leave negative. I know I've managed a couple over the 11odd years I've been on E Bay as a private buyer & seller.

[DPX]

Its a real shame to see quality motors like this stuck in a shed and rotting

[uk66fastback]

He had one negative in the past 12 months - but obviously had more before that to get that low a percentage.

It's still one bad problem every 11 sales isn't it? That ain't good in my book. Sure, he may have had a decent 12 months, but just think what the figure was before that! Or am I deducing it wrong?

92.3% feedback on ebay is BAD, sorry!

If a guy had ONE negative over 1522 sales his %age would be 99.9 or summat ...

[Rollcage]

uk66fastback said:

He had one negative in the past 12 months - but obviously had more before that to get that low a percentage.

It's still one bad problem every 11 sales isn't it? That ain't good in my book. Sure, he may have had a decent 12 months, but just think what the figure was before that! Or am I deducing it wrong?

92.3% feedback on ebay is BAD, sorry!

It isn't in this case.

HTH.


(Lies, damned lies...... and statistics!)

[uk66fastback]

That's how I read it ... don't know why they bother with the feedback if it means nothing then.

[Jakg]

uk66fastback said:

He had one negative in the past 12 months - but obviously had more before that to get that low a percentage.

It's still one bad problem every 11 sales isn't it? That ain't good in my book. Sure, he may have had a decent 12 months, but just think what the figure was before that! Or am I deducing it wrong?

92.3% feedback on ebay is BAD, sorry!

If a guy had ONE negative over 1522 sales his %age would be 99.9 or summat ...

eBay only calculate your % over the last 12 months - it's a rolling figure.

If you sold 100 things over the course of a year, and got 99 positives (in the first 11 months) and 1 negative (in the 12 month) you'd have a 99% positive feedback, which most people think is good.

If you then gave up selling, the rolling average would count less and less of those positives - 11 months later the ONLY feedback you'd have that would count would be the neg, so you'd have 0%... despite having changed nothing!

It doesn't make much sense a lot of the time.

[bigblock]

uk66fastback said:

That's how I read it ... don't know why they bother with the feedback if it means nothing then.

It appears that it is now starting to dawn on you that in some cases the ebay feedback rating is meaningless and so describing a seller as rubbish based on that figure alone is unfair.

To make amends I think you should buy that guys rusty old E type shell

[singlecoil]

bigblock said:

uk66fastback said:

That's how I read it ... don't know why they bother with the feedback if it means nothing then.

It appears that it is now starting to dawn on you that in some cases the ebay feedback rating is meaningless and so describing a seller as rubbish based on that figure alone is unfair.

Whether the OP describes it as rubbish or not matters not a jot, the fact remains that it's clearly shown as 92.3% and if we can see that, so can everybody else who looks at the listing.

[uk66fastback]

bigblock said:

uk66fastback said:

That's how I read it ... don't know why they bother with the feedback if it means nothing then.

It appears that it is now starting to dawn on you that in some cases the ebay feedback rating is meaningless and so describing a seller as rubbish based on that figure alone is unfair.

To make amends I think you should buy that guys rusty old E type shell

Not dawning on me at all - it's the most visible quick ref of someone's ebay *rating* ... not got the time to go through the auction history of every single one I look at (unless I'm interested in buying maybe) so rightly or wrongly, people *judge* by the given percentage. I judge that feedback percentage (at a quick glance) as rubbish - and no-one arguing otherwise will make me change my stance! But I will edit my original post if it makes you sleep easier that one ebay user on the other side of the Atlantic is not being *dissed* ...

Mods: can we rename this thread: "Feedback - the real meaning" and move it to a different forum?

[bigblock]

uk66fastback said:

bigblock said:

uk66fastback said:

That's how I read it ... don't know why they bother with the feedback if it means nothing then.

It appears that it is now starting to dawn on you that in some cases the ebay feedback rating is meaningless and so describing a seller as rubbish based on that figure alone is unfair.

To make amends I think you should buy that guys rusty old E type shell

Not dawning on me at all - it's the most visible quick ref of someone's ebay *rating* ... not got the time to go through the auction history of every single one I look at (unless I'm interested in buying maybe) so rightly or wrongly, people *judge* by the given percentage. I judge that feedback percentage (at a quick glance) as rubbish - and no-one arguing otherwise will make me change my stance! But I will edit my original post if it makes you sleep easier that one ebay user on the other side of the Atlantic is not being *dissed* ...

Mods: can we rename this thread: "Feedback - the real meaning" and move it to a different forum?

The edit to your original post appealed to my sense of humour and made me laugh so maybe for that reason alone it was worth the effort of our slightly pointless discussion.